Isaac Baruch — Direct/Cross

CHRISTI DEMBROWSKI: Witness called on behalf of the Plaintiff and Counterclaim Defendant, having been first duly sworn by the Clerk, testified as follows:

CHRISTI DEMBROWSKI: There's a thing here, transcript

ISAAC BARUCH: Morning.

ISAAC BARUCH: My name is Isaac Baruch, I-S-A-A-C, B-A-R-U-C-R

ISAAC BARUCH: I live in Los Angeles.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: I've known him since teenagers. We met in Florida.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. We were both playing in bands. We had mutual friends, and we met in, probably, 1980, and, yeah, we hit it off. We got along with each other. And, yeah, that's ...

ISAAC BARUCH: Few times a month. I'd say it could be more, a little more or whatever, because, you know, we'd see each other at parties, and clubs, nightclubs where the bands played. Yeah, like that.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, we met in, like, 1980, so, and then we both moved away. He moved to California, I moved to New York. What was that, 80 -- from to '83. What was that, like four years?

ISAAC BARUCH: He was a sweet kid, a sweet guy.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Like I said before, he moved to California.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Sometime during the first year. And then afterwards, after the first year or more and p stuff, yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, I moved to California in September of'85.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, I knew he was pursuing acting at that time. Yeah, he's looking for work because he's pursuing acting.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, like I said, the first year, a few times. Afterwards, I had a friend who - whose girlfriend lived in the same building as Johnny, and that - so, then hanging out over there, I ended up seeing Johnny more often. And, plus, my friend, who I'm talking about, who - whose girlfriend lived in the same building, he was playing in a band and they needed another guitar player and Johnny ended up joining the band. So, we were hanging out a lot more often.

ISAAC BARUCH: I was pursuing music also. working retail jobs and trying to get a band, make a band, you know.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, that's later on. That's, like, in 1993.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, he owned a place called the Viper Room and -- which is a music venue, nightclub, bar, and bands play, and it was already open for six months, and the girl who was working -- the person who was working the -- as office manager didn't want to work there anymore. So the guy who was running the place for Johnny, who was a friend named Sal Jenco, another Florida friend from back in 1980, when we all three first meet. He calls me up and he says, hey, Isaac, do you want to work this job?

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: I worked from to '98. in '98, I moved away.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes, I did.

ISAAC BARUCH: I moved back in December of 2002.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, for two weeks, I worked at an art gallery, and then I went back to the Viper Room on New Year's Eve.

ISAAC BARUCH: It was another year, and then the place changed hands.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes, I was work- sidewise, I was teaching myself art.

ISAAC BARUCH: Books, learning how to draw and paint, and taking community college classes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, working at the Viper Room, taking classes, and then at one point, the club changed hands, completely, after a year, 2004, and I was given a choice of either keep working for these new owners or Johnny, out of his pocket, was going to give a severance pay to whoever didn't want to work there anymore.

ISAAC BARUCH: So I took the severance pay, and then it helped me to continue on to finish community classes, private classes, and then be able to transfer to Cal State University.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes, I did.

ISAAC BARUCH: BFA.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, first time he saw a painting in 2008, and then the next time was 2012, I had made a painting and sent it to my best friend, email, in an email, and he forwarded it to Johnny and Johnny emailed back saying, hey, when Isaac wants to sell that, whenever he wants to sell that, to go ahead and get in touch with me because I want to buy it.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: Because when I brought over paintings, I had moved back to California, and I brought over a bunch of paintings for him to look at and see if he wants any, to buy any, and he looked at me and said, I've got an idea, how about I be your patron and we put together an art show, make a body of work, and then I'll throw a party and invite people and I'll sell the stuff for you and you can keep all the money.

ISAAC BARUCH: So he didn't buy any paintings then; instead, he offered me a complete patronship.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, he was going to financially make it possible for me to just paint every day and put together a body of work so that way, then, it could be sold.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, I could tell you that what it included was that the next day, I ended up moving into - I moved into an art studio penthouse at the Eastern Columbia Building. It was, listen, I've got a place for you to go ahead and live and work and put this body of art together, and I'll take care of you. You don't have to worry about anything.

ISAAC BARUCH: The Eastern Columbia Building.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah, of course.

ISAAC BARUCH: I started crying. It was, you know, one day you're in your mother's garage selling paintings for a hundred dollars, two hundred dollars, three hundred dollars on eBay. Next thing you know, it's an art show and, like, you don't have to worry about diddlysquat. Of course, of course. I was flipping out.

ISAAC BARUCH: The next day after we met and we talked . The next day. The next day, I get a phone call from a guy named Kevin Murphy, who was working for Johnny, and I go -- he says, hey, meet me at this address. And I go and I meet him and here I am, in front of this building. This is a beautiful building. This is like, you know, it's whatever, 13 floors, but it's, like, from the 1930s, some art deco. Beautiful building. I'm looking, I was like, all right, this is unreal. It's going to be - you know, it's going to be one of these apartments, whatever, one of these places here. I go in with Kevin Murphy, he takes me all the way up to the roof. We go into penthouse 2, and this - I walk in and I'm, like, crying, going this is - it's beautiful. This is like a mansion situation to me.

ISAAC BARUCH: Three years and seven months.

ISAAC BARUCH: Am I looking at something?

ISAAC BARUCH: Thank you.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: This is the floor plan of the roof or the penthouses up on the roof at the Eastern Columbia.

ISAAC BARUCH: I moved in the first week of March 2013, yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. So, the right side of this graph is, there's a pool there, there's another top of another apartment, that actually starts on the floor below, it's a two-story apartment. But there's a pool there and there's a gym, workout room. And the left side, there's, at the bottom, there's an X, and that's the elevator. And so, you walk out of the elevator, you make a little left, and there's part of penthouse 5, right there, straight ahead. And then you keep walking straight, and then you make a left, a sharp left, and the actual penthouse 5 is straight ahead.

ISAAC BARUCH: And then you hang a right and you walk - start walking up that way, on your right is going to be penthouse 1, on your left is going to be penthouse When you get to the end of that corridor, is the door for penthouse 3. And if you hang a right - oh, look, there it is. It came up on the screen. If you hang a right and you go down to the end, is the door to penthouse 2. That's the apartment that I lived in.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, Johnny owned them all.

ISAAC BARUCH: Penthouse 2.

ISAAC BARUCH: No. I was the first one to move in. I moved in the first week of March, and then a couple of weeks later, two, three weeks later, then Johnny and Amber moved in. And then after that, the next one to move in is Rocky, Raquel Pennington, Amber's friend. And then, at some point, her sister moved in, Whitney, and, also, at some point, Rocky's boyfriend moved in with her in penthouse 1.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Penthouse 3.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Amber Heard's friend from Texas. I think they- I don't know, I'm not sure if they told me that they moved out there together or something like that. But, yeah, her friend.

ISAAC BARUCH: Josh, Josh Drew.

ISAAC BARUCH: Penthouse 1.

ISAAC BARUCH: Whitney Heard. She's married, so she's got a different last name, I'm not sure what it is. But Amber's sister, Whitney.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah, I was friends with all of them. I loved them all. They all treated me with respect. We had - it was great. You know, I'm an old-time friend of Johnny's, living there, and we're all looking out for each other. We became great friends. I fell in love with all of them.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. That's the entire reason that I'm there, is to work and put together this art

ISAAC BARUCH: At first, when we first powwowed this idea, when we talked about, all right, what do we do? What's this show going to be? How many paintings is it going to be? We came up with a number. Okay, there's going to be a certain body of work. I'm not- I'm not a known person, I'm O just some schmuck painter. If I was a famous painter, I could make five paintings and the room would fill up. So we decided, okay, like, 25 pieces of work, large scale, and Johnny says, hey, how long do you think this will take? I said, I've never done it before, I don't know, maybe a few months.

ISAAC BARUCH: No. It took me - in order to make two large-scale paintings, it took me, like, almost two months. And I start freaking out, going, I've only got two paintings. And, all right, I've got to do 25, I said a few months. So I ended up going to Johnny's place and saying, hey, look, dude, this is going to take a lot longer than a few months. I could only make two paintings.

ISAAC BARUCH: He looks at me and he starts laughing and he says "Ike, don't worry. I do not care. I just want you to paint, however long it takes. Just I want you to paint every day."

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Over a period of four years, of the patronship, I ballpark, calculate probably around a hundred thousand.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, from the first- from the first get-go, when I said, hey, look, I need dough to, you know, buy stuff and do this, I ended up getting an envelope the next day with $5,000 in it. And then I budgeted and stretched it out, you know. And, so, every few months, I'd get an envelope. It could - I didn't know if it was going to be the same amount, but it ended up being the same amount, which was, wow. So, basically, around five grand every few months. So, in a year, that's 20 grand. But then, also, there's maybe a year or two, might have been that, it was five times I had to ask for dough, or it was four. And then on top of it, so, right there, that could be 80 grand or 90 grand.

ISAAC BARUCH: And then on top of that, I ended up getting a herniated disc. He sent me to the doctors to get an MRI and see the doctor, get an MRI, and there was ten weeks of therapy that he covered. So I throw that in there too. And I ended up coming up with a figure of a hundred grand. Could be a little less, could be a little more.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, there's no -- that's not even the thought of being paid back. This was something that he wanted to see happen. This is something he invested in. He knew that he was going to spend money to make it happen, for me to survive and paint and create this thing that he wanted to see because he liked the art. And, so, there was -- and there was no pay back. The whole thing was about him selling the art so that way I -- so that way I keep all the money. He didn't expect anything. It was his doing this as a friend, as he's done with many other friends.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, yeah. That, for me, when - he's told me he had a money situation going on. For me, it was, like, this guy just changed - he's been making it possible for me to live and work and make product, and by that expense, I'm part of the problem. It's like, how do I help him? How can I help him? I mean, he's sharing his sandwich with me, you know. It's like, if I - how do I share that - my sandwich with him? Give him that half to make something up. You don't not do anything.

ISAAC BARUCH: And so, the only thing I got is paintings. So I stood up, when he's telling me what he's telling me about his money situation, and for me, I said, hey, this is - if these things ever sell, we've got to split this 50/50, and I ain't taking no for an answer, something. I've got to put something into this.

ISAAC BARUCH: So, for me, I looked at it like, he's got - he has to get something back.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: I loved her. I fell in love with her, just like Johnny fell in love with her. I fell in love with her. She's totally respectful, gracious to me. She's got great teeth that -- she treated me with complete respect. Anytime I walk into the -- the humor, like total locker room humor, demented humor. Totally laughed at, you know, the jokes, made the jokes, totally got along with her. Every time I walked into that place, Isaac, you want something to eat? Isaac, you want something to drink? Every time.

ISAAC BARUCH: There's only one time I remember she didn't offer because I walked in and she's in the kitchen at the counter and she's doing a beauty facial mask and, so, she can't offer me. And I'm going, hey, is that something that can help me? And she look at me and she goes, "No."

ISAAC BARUCH: And I'm laughing and then she laughed after because she didn't realize she was making a joke. So, yeah, I loved her.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: The first time is that -- it's in March, when they moved in, and they were there for a couple of days and I didn't even know. And Johnny called me, says, hey, come over, meet my girl and that. And so, I did. And then the next day, they came over to my place for the first time to see how I had set up the art studio, the lights, and, you know, my paintings set up and stuff, and to look at other paintings. They walked in, and I remember the first thing she said was, I hope we didn't keep you up last night because of all the yelling. I looked at her and said, no, these walls are, like, three feet thick. I didn't hear diddlysquat.

ISAAC BARUCH: Semi joking and inquisitive, you know, to find out.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: They were always loving with each other. They treated each other like gold. You know, kissing and, you know, what can I get you type of thing, you know. Being kind with each other. Always loving. Always a loving situation.

ISAAC BARUCH: If they were there, because they're traveling, they're doing - they're working and doing stuff. If they were there, I saw them maybe two, three times a week. Maybe there might be one time a week that I see them, that I go over to hang out or, you know, see them, or they might come -- or Johnny might come over to visit or, you know. Like that.

ISAAC BARUCH: Never.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: The first argument that I remember was I was walking in, there was -- it was a telephone argument. Johnny's at the kitchen table and he's arguing -- he's screaming about something and on the other line, because it's on speaker and he's talking with the phone -- at the phone, the other person is Amber. And she's in New York and he's at the kitchen table. And they're arguing.

ISAAC BARUCH: And he's going, who is it? Who is it? And she's saying, oh, baby, come on, please don't. What are you doing, baby? Why are you being like this, baby? And this went on for a little while, and I'm listening, and then he hangs up.

ISAAC BARUCH: She calls back again and it's the same thing. Who is it? What's going on? Who is it? And she's saying, oh, come on, baby. Don't be -- what are you doing, baby? And then hang up the phone again.

ISAAC BARUCH: The third time it happens, I'm saying there's no solution in this conversation. I grabbed the phone from him and I said, hey, Amber, this is Isaac, listen, this conversation is now over. And I hung up the phone. And she didn't call back again, and he went to the couch and went to bed.

ISAAC BARUCH: I ended up going over and there's, at p the kitchen table was Johnny, is Amber, is Rocky, and Josh. And I'm going, what are you guys doing? And they're hanging out and they're trying to plot to figure out a way how to get rid of Whitney, to not live there anymore. And I felt bad. I liked Whitney. So I was, you know, uh, you know, that's going to be a drag. What are you plotting? How do you figure it out? Hey, lend your sister some dough and let her move out. You know, they're trying to figure something out, something differently, or whatever.

ISAAC BARUCH: So there was a point, Johnny got completely, you know, flustered and frustrated and he got up and he walks away and as he's walking away he says, "Figure it out."

ISAAC BARUCH: And that was it. That was the whole thing. I don't know if you want to call it,-- I don't think you might call that an argument.

ISAAC BARUCH: Okay.

ISAAC BARUCH: I've got to stay here this whole time?

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, okay.

ISAAC BARUCH: We're back.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: I was out, it was evening time, I'm out in the neighborhood, and I'm on my way home. I get a phone call from my friend who wants to know O if I want to go out and eat. I said I just ate, but I'm five minutes away from the Eastern Columbia Building, home, and go across the street, get something to eat, and bring it up for takeout, and we'll go upstairs to my joint and we'll eat. And, yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: 9:30.

ISAAC BARUCH: We went upstairs.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Do I touch something on the menu here?

ISAAC BARUCH: Wherever I touch it, it's going to make a mark?

ISAAC BARUCH: Thank you.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: We got out of the elevator and, you know, just like in the graph, you make a left and then you turn the corner. When we walked out, I noticed, on the floor, there's shards of glass, there's pieces of glass. Something is going on, something busted, could be one of the sconces or something like that. Kept walking.

ISAAC BARUCH: A Yeah. Right there. Right where you could go left or you could go right. And if you wanted to go to the pool area, there's an exit that way. So you could either go right or you go left. You go left, you're in the apartments, going in the hallway through the apartment, or you go right. Right there in that spot.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, yeah. So we walk around and then we make the turn. We hang the right, past penthouse 5, and we stop right in front of -- right here.

ISAAC BARUCH: Stopped in front of here, penthouse 1, which is more -- it's more right there (indicating), because there's this puddle of wine, huge puddle of wine on the floor that's in front of the door, and there's wine, the splashed wine that's dripping down the wall. So we stopped and I'm looking at him going, look at this, someone must have got hammered. These guys probably had a party. And at that point, right then, as soon as I said that, the door opens up and it's Josh Drew, who pokes his head out the door only enough for his head to come out, and he's pretty bug-eyed, looks distraught. And I look at him and I go, what's up with the spilled wine? And figuring I'd get an explanation, or whatever. And he says, he looked at me and just said, "Rough day. Had a rough day."

ISAAC BARUCH: And at that point, I got concerned and said to him -- because I'm friends with him, you know. I got concerned. I said, "Hey, you okay? Do you want me to help you with something? Do you need help?"

ISAAC BARUCH: He said, "No." Okay. "We've got it." I said, "Okay." And me and my buddy took off and went into my place.

ISAAC BARUCH: My buddy ate, I believe he had pizza from across the street, and we talked. We yapped for a while, and, you know, could be -- I could yap, so, you know, it could take, we were there, probably, hour and change or something like that. And then, you know, we're done. So I walked him out and walked down, I went to the elevator, walked out, went to the elevator. We went downstairs, I walked him out the door, finished the conversation that we were having, and I said, all right, see ya. And then I went back in, I went upstairs, and I went to bed.

ISAAC BARUCH: You know something? We got there right around 9:30, we're talking, I don't know, an hour, hour and a half, two hours, you know, somewhere around 11:00, I would think.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes. It's my birthday, May 22nd is my birthday. I wake up, I end up texting Johnny and saying, hey, I'm going to be in town, because he's not staying at the Eastern Columbia Building, he's staying in a house in town, okay? And so, I texted him, it's my birthday, I said, listen, I'm going to be in town. I'm going to come by to have a birthday drink. Okay.

ISAAC BARUCH: I didn't hear from him, you know, I didn't get an answer back. So I said, that's what I'm doing. If that happens, that happens. So, it's around noon, noontime, so I left. Walked out of my apartment and I go through the hallway, as you can see in the graph, I go through the hallway and I turn the corner from penthouse 3, and as I'm walking down, who do I see, I see a group of people. It's a guy in black clothes, a black shirt, black pants, Amber Heard, and I see Josh Drew, who's leaning up against the door, and the door is open. This door is open, something's going on.

ISAAC BARUCH: As I'm walking up, I'm saying, hey, what's up, what are you guys doing? Then Amber turns to me, as I'm walking up, Amber turns to me and she says "Johnny came by last night. He got violent, so I'm changing the locks on 1, 3, and 215."

ISAAC BARUCH: And I'm looking at her, and she goes oh, don't worry about 2, you're okay.

ISAAC BARUCH: And at this time, I'm now walking past, so now we're all in front of the open door of the apartment, and I see there's two guys, two locksmiths working on the door. So, now, I'm standing on one side and you have Josh Drew on one side of the door, you've got the two locksmiths with the door open, working on it, sunlight's -- the sun's coming through the door, sunlight from windows, and then Amber is in front of me and there's the security guy. And we're two feet away from each other, talking. And she introduces me, as she's finishing saying, oh, don't worry about your apartment.

ISAAC BARUCH: She says, oh, and this is a security guard that I got who's going to be hanging around. And she -- I got introduced. She introduced me to him, and I shook his hand, he gave me a card, which I lost, and I'm kind of taking this.in an!l going -- and I say, wait, what happened? What's going on?

ISAAC BARUCH: And at that point, Josh Drew looks at me and gives me a high sign, like, hey, follow me, I'll tell you in private.

ISAAC BARUCH: And-

ISAAC BARUCH: Like I said, two - I'm two feet. A foot and a half, two feet away. We're all two feet.

ISAAC BARUCH: There's lights in the hallway. I was standing - and we're standing in an open doorway that the wall is all windows. Sunlight's coming through, and you could operate in this light, there's that much light.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah, I seen, like I said, with the facemask doing a facemask, no makeup, hanging around, waking up in the morning, no -with makeup glammed out to go out. Three and a half years of seeing her in different forms.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, yeah, after I said, hey, what's going on? He gave me the high sign, like follow him. We went into my apartment and had a conversation.

ISAAC BARUCH: We left the apartment and we go walking back towards penthouse 1. And as I'm walking back, I say to Amber, as I'm walking up, he hit you? And she goes, yeah, he threw a phone at me and hit me. And I'm looking because I had just seen her two feet away. I'm going, where? And she puts her head out. She puts her face out like that, for me to look at the right side of her face. And I'm looking, but at that point, also, I'm looking and I turn around, get on the other side, we're in the doorway.

ISAAC BARUCH: So I'm on this side, with the light shining this way from the doorway with the lights above, with the sunshine, and she's got her face out like this, looking, you know, to show me, and I'm looking and I go - I inspect her face. I'm looking at her forehead. Looking at the side of her eye, I'm looking at her cheek, I'm looking at her chin, I'm looking at the other side of the face. I'm looking at the whole thing. And I don't see anything. I don't see anything to -I don't see a cut, a bruise, swelling, redness. It's just Amber's face that she's going like this (indicating) and showing me.

ISAAC BARUCH: So, I'm not seeing anything. I back up and I'm making a joke. I make a joke going, well, I/ I don't see anything, but maybe your beauty from the other side of your face and the other side of the face is outshining everything, so I can't see anything. And she laughed and, you know, smiled. I just looked at everybody and said, bey, it sounds nuts. I went and I said, I've got to go, and I gave her a hug and I kissed her on that side of the face. Kissed her on that side of the face. IO That was it. Said goodbye.

ISAAC BARUCH: Nothing.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: So that's Monday - that was May 22nd, my birthday. Then the next day is Monday, the 23rd. I had woken up with a chest cold and I heard a knock on the door and it's Amber. So I opened up the door.

ISAAC BARUCH: That's, I want to say, maybe, around - maybe around noontime, maybe a little bit before. Maybe it could have been a little bit - I think around noontime again.

ISAAC BARUCH: And I went downstairs and I opened up the door.

ISAAC BARUCH: Absolutely. Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Lighting's fine. Lighting from outside and there's light from my place, yeah. So, the lighting was great.

ISAAC BARUCH: No. Same thing like the day before. There's no redness, there's no swelling, there's no bruises, there's no cuts, there's no nothing. Just Amber looking like Amber.

ISAAC BARUCH: She didn't look like she was wearing makeup then either.

ISAAC BARUCH: She was knocking on my door to see if I would take the house key, her house key, to let the cleaning lady in because she had to go somewhere. I woke up that day and I had some kind of chest cold thing. I was upstairs laying down. So I looked at her and I said, hey, listen, I'm feeling sick. I'm going to be upstairs laying down this entire time, for the day, or whatever. And so I can't do it.

ISAAC BARUCH: And then she stood there and is like, well, I've got to figure out what to do. Like, maybe if she was only depending upon me to give the housekeeper the key. The housekeeper cleans both of our places. And so I said, hey, listen, why don't you go ahead and take the key and put it in an envelope and bring it downstairs to the concierge, you know, that's where the key will be, tell Hilda, who was the housekeeper, that that's where the key is'.

ISAAC BARUCH: And she was, like, yeah, okay, I guess I could do that. Look, I'm three feet away from her, two and a half, three feet away from her, talking with her.

ISAAC BARUCH: Three minutes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes,I did.

ISAAC BARUCH: All right. I go down -- I'm leaving my apartment on Tuesday to go downstairs to the cafe to go get something hot to drink. I still haven't shopped or did anything with a chest cold. And, so, I wanted something hot to drink. I go downstairs and as I'm locking my door, that, all of a sudden, a group of women come up to penthouse 3. Because in the corridor, in the graph, you can see we share the same corridor. So I'm locking my door and this group of women show up.

ISAAC BARUCH: Three of them, yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: You know something, I'm not sure if it was four or five women, but it's Amber, it's her sister, Whitney, and it's Melanie Inglessis, who's a makeup artist for Johnny and Amber, and then there's two other women that I didn't recognize, but I'm not sure.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, after closing the door, Whitney, who calls me her spirit animal, came running down the, you know, down the hallway going, Isaac, spirit animal. And I'm going, hey, listen, I'm not feeling so hot, I'm not feeling so good, and I did duck under her arms, you know, stop. I love you, but stop. And I duck under her arms and I go past, and I'm now passing the other ladies, Amber and her - who she's with, and I'm looking at them, they're laughing, this whole scene. And that was it Then I walked - went past and went down and got some hot tea.

ISAAC BARUCH: It was a quick glance, but nothing shot out to me that I noticed anything.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, I saw her again that day.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. On the way back from me being outside, the cafe, having a tea, I come walking back in and now all her, her and the women that she was with, are coming back out and we're in the lobby. And the doors of the lobby, it's all windows, it's great light shining through the entire lobby, and the women - there's a table in the middle of the lobby and her friends, I don't know if they're her friends or not, I know three, one's her sister, the other is a friend They're walking on one side of the table, she's on the other side of the table, where I'm walking, and now we're walking past each other. And she's, you know, of course we're going to acknowledge each other and looking at each other. And now she's -- the sun's shining right in her face, it's to my back because I'm walking in, and, so, that's like this, and saying, hey, all right, enjoy yourself, have a good time, whatever, whatever you're doing, you know, and go by, and I went up. And that was it. That was the second time that I saw her, and that's on Tuesday.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, absolutely. The sun's shining right on her face.

ISAAC BARUCH: Nothing. No cuts, no bruises, no swelling, no redness. It's Amber. It's Amber's face.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes, I did.

ISAAC BARUCH: That's right.

ISAAC BARUCH: At that point, it was, like, okay, I've got to shop for something because, otherwise, I'm not going to get rid of this chest cold. I go to the store and on the way back, in between the garage and the building, there's this room, like a vestibule, you know, that you have to walk through. And I'm coming in to go into the building, and Amber and Whitney, her sister, are coming out of the building to go into the garage. And we met there.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah, we spoke. So, we're facing each other. Amber and Whitney are across from me. We're two and a half feet, two feet away from each other, talking. Of course - and so we stop, of course, to say, hey, what's up? What are you doing? Where you going? Where are you coming from? I had bags of food in my hand of stuff that I went and I bought. And so I said, hey, I'm coming from shopping, I finally bought myself some stuff to get rid of the chest cold thing. And they go and they're going to the CVS and they look at me and so, yapping; everyone's smiling and stuff, and she says, are you sure we can't get you anything? How about we get you some aspirin or some, you know, some cold stuff. I said, no, I think I've got everything. And they said, are you sure? And I said, yeah, yeah, of course, I've got it. Don't sweat it.

ISAAC BARUCH: And, you know, a kiss or whatever, got my hands, I can't hug or whatever, so (demonstrating), and then I said see ya and I went up. And they went through the garage. That was the -- that was it that day.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes. This room -- yes. Yeah. This room, it's completely lit and there's a camera taking -- you know, camera's always on, the security camera, always. So it's got good lighting and stuff. Because this is a spot where if you use your fob key to go into the building, well, the door takes a long time to, you know, it's one of those things with the pressure thing that the door just doesn't close shut, takes a while for it to close. Someone could be in the garage, who's not supposed to be in the garage, run, and hold the door open. And then they get into the apartment building and then who knows, maybe somebody gets ripped off. So it's well lit for security reasons, and there's a camera there that's taking pictures, you know, doing what the camera does.

ISAAC BARUCH: Neither of them looked like they were wearing makeup, at all. Whitney had this hat on h that it was a fun hat, or whatever, and no makeup. I don't even know Whitney to be a makeup person. And, Amber, no, she looked like she was, you know, just natural Amber. That's all, you know, just as always, no makeup.

ISAAC BARUCH: No. No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No. No swelling. No - there's no nothing. There's no swelling, no bruising, no redness, no cuts, no - I mean, you know, nothing.

ISAAC BARUCH: Say that again.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah, my birthday.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: Say that again.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: I learned it from the Internet, after the weekend, around, probably, Monday -- either Sunday or Monday. I'm on the Internet and I end up seeing a picture of, it was the Friday of that week, the past week, and there's a picture of Amber wearing a black mourning dress and with this brown mark on her cheek, and she's out -- she's been to a divorce, you know, she went to go file for divorce. That's how I found out.

ISAAC BARUCH: Surprised is not the word; It's like, what the hell is this? What's going on?

ISAAC BARUCH: What's the question again?

ISAAC BARUCH: No. No. Never once, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday or Friday, not even said it, no. I'm clueless. She does not - she did not say anything about divorce.

ISAAC BARUCH: She knocked on my door, June 3rd, Friday, a Friday night, June 3rd, she knocked on my door around 11 :00, is the next time that I see her.

ISAAC BARUCH: I open the door, and I said something, I said, hey, how you doing, to say hello. I open up the door, I said, hey, how you're doing? She looked at me and says, I'm not feeling so hot. I made some food, would you like to come over and eat with me? And at that point, after, you know, everything I've seen, I looked at her, I said, listen, me and you, we're not going to talk anymore. After everything that I've just seen all week long from the past couple - the past week and change, listen, I'm confused, I'm angry, and I'm frustrated by everything that I've seen, and I think the best thing is for me and you, that we don't talk anymore.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. In response to that, she looks at me and she said, I told Johnny I don't want anything. The lawyers are making me do all of this. And I - you know, that's what she said.

ISAAC BARUCH: No. What I was thinking was, to me, after saying that, after she said that to me, I'm thinking to myself, gay kocken your, hey, how -

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: Well, she said to me, after that, the lawyers are making me do all of this, then she's -I was just looking at her and then she ended what she was saying by saying, well, I'm sorry you feel that way. And I closed the door and never talked to her ever again.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Sometime in June, maybe two weeks in or something like that. It's two, three weeks in.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes, I can. It was a video of Amber and Whitney waiting at the elevator, the mezzanine level, coming from the garage, obviously, and waiting for the elevator, and Whitney does this to Amber ( demonstrating) and hitting her, faking hitting her in the face, going pow, and then they start laughing.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah. She's laughing. After doing it, 2- they both, you know, laughing at each other - with each other.

ISAAC BARUCH: Sure.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: First time was, I'm getting into the elevator on the rooftop, penthouse level, I'm going into the elevator and he's coming out of the elevator, going past me.

ISAAC BARUCH: This is after May. This is sometime, jeez, June, could be July, but after May.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: One morning, waking up and going and opening up the shades to the bedroom, and it's on the second floor and it overlooks the balconies, our adjoining balconies, because my balcony joins with John and Amber's balcony. And opening up the shades, I see Elon Musk going through the balcony door on their side, the two of them walk down the common corridor to that to, then, at the end, leads to a door, then you walk out to the rest of the rooftop. You go to the pool, you go to the gym and stuff. So I'm looking out and the view-- the view out the window is of the both of our balconies. So that's where I saw him.

ISAAC BARUCH: Sometime, either June or July. But it's after May.

ISAAC BARUCH: I met him, I believe, in 1980, and, what, 42 years. Or it's going to be 42 years.

ISAAC BARUCH: I'm allowed to answer?

ISAAC BARUCH: No. Well, from what I said from before, there was an argument that I walked in, so there's, obviously, there's that. But have I ever seen him be violent to her, with physicality, no.

ISAAC BARUCH: No, never.

ISAAC BARUCH: I can answer?

ISAAC BARUCH: What's the question again?

ISAAC BARUCH: Besides having great teeth, no.

ISAAC BARUCH: And the question is?

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, come on. It's um real. You know, you think too much about it, you're going to cry. That I appreciate everything that he's done for me, you know. It's like stuff you can't pay back.

ISAAC BARUCH: Oh, no, no, no, no.

ISAAC BARUCH: Excuse me. I didn't hear the beginning of what you started saying.

ISAAC BARUCH: Okay.

ISAAC BARUCH: I knew she acted. I didn't know she was a model.

ISAAC BARUCH: When, now or back then?

ISAAC BARUCH: I don't know any of that.

ISAAC BARUCH: I've been in the room, yeah, when she's. putting - when makeup was getting put on her, yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: It was an event that they were going to.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: What is it?

ISAAC BARUCH: Amica?

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: I have no clue.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: I don't know what she uses on a daily basis.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: It was just down.

ISAAC BARUCH: Just regular. She has it up now. She's got some kind of hairstyle. But, no, she 1_7 was normal, hair down, regular, no makeup, just hanging.

ISAAC BARUCH: For a fact?

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No. I don't even know what arnica cream is.

ISAAC BARUCH: That's correct IO

ISAAC BARUCH: You know something? I could have sworn she had on a smocked dress, hippie dress, at that particular time, but I could be confusing it with June 3rd. She's got this Victorian type of long hippie dress that has embroidery, that she definitely was wearing that day, that night.

ISAAC BARUCH: I could have sworn she was wearing another smocked dress that I've seen her hanging around the apartment with.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: No.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yes.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah, the two locksmiths.

ISAAC BARUCH: And, also, in the apartment, for a fleeting second, a person went walking by and who seemed, to me, looked like it was Raquel Pennington, but it could be - it could have been another friend that was supposedly staying with them

ISAAC BARUCH: No. Go through the living room, and then they're out of the picture because they went upstairs. So they're at - that's - somebody else was in that room, but walking by.

ISAAC BARUCH: Yeah.