Johnny Depp — Direct/Cross

THE WITNESS: Yes, ma'am

THE WITNESS: Thank you, Your Honor.

MR. DEPP: Good morning.

MR. DEPP: I believe, as I said yesterday, there was a hint of something with the - having to do with the boots coming off and breaking routine.

MR. DEPP: Her attitude, or her - the way that she would begin to speak to me - first, things started coming up and it was I was suddenly just wrong about everything. If I made a statement about something that I had been familiar with, for example, in my work that I had been chopping away at for a good 30-some years, I was suddenly wrong. Then beyond that, if you tried to explain yourself and correct the problem, the misunderstanding, it would then begin to heighten, as Ms. Heard was unable to be wrong. It just didn't happen. She couldn't be wrong.

MR. DEPP: So, these little digs and -- would commence with demeaning name-calling, berate, to be made a fool of, and those would escalate into a full-scale argument. And in the beginning, as one does, one sticks up for oneself in a debate, as it were, or an argument over something, to try to prove the point.

MR. DEPP: But when it escalates and then -- it's hard to explain, but the argument would start here (indicating) and then it would roll around and become this circular thing of its own. So you get back to the beginning, essentially, of the argument. Now it's heightened even more, but it's still circular and there's no way in or out.

MR. DEPP: If there is a dialogue between two people, both people need to speak, but there was no - there was no way to fit a word in. It was sort of a rapid-fire, sort of endless parade of insults and - you know, looking at me like I was a fool. And I just couldn't - I was having difficulty in my mind, of course, and in my heart dealing with that sort of barrage.

MR. DEPP: And part of that is I just - I was confused as to the fact that whatever her age was at the time of these various arguments, mid 20s to late 20s and then to 30s, I couldn't understand how I had somehow, somehow, gotten - arrived at where I'd arrived from where I came from in the beginning of my life and worked for 30-plus years doing these things. It was astounding how wrong I was about everything that I had experienced within the movie - within the film industry or within working just life itself. I was sort of not allowed to be right.

MR. DEPP: Not allowed to have a voice. So, at a certain point, when that - what enters your mind is you start to slowly realize that you are in a relationship with your mother, in a sense. And I know that that sounds perverse and obtuse, but the fact is that some people search for weaknesses in people, and that is to say sensitivities, and when you've told that person your life and what you've lived through, what you've been through, just as happens in relationships, the more that became ammunition for Ms.

MR. DEPP: Heard to either verbally decimate me or to send me into a kind of a tailspin of confusion and depression, and the -- well, it's not a happy day, it's not a happy week, it's not a happy month when you're constantly being told how wrong you are about this or that, what an idiot you are, or anything. It just -- then it increased, increased and became an endless -- it became endless, that endless circle. So as it escalated and continued to escalate, I went straight to what I had learned as a youth, which was to remove myself from the situation so that it couldn't continue because there's only so much your ears can hear and never forget.

MR. DEPP: So I would remove myself from the situation, as I'd done as a youth, as much as possible, because I just certainly didn't believe that there was any need for these various subjects or arguments to come up and travel the distance that they did so very quickly, to ramp up so fast It was like you were pinned to a wall and had to just listen to it and take it.

MR. DEPP: So I found the only way to find any sort of peace was to try to walk away. If she didn't allow me to walk away, there were times when I would just go and lock myself in, you know, the bathroom or anywhere that she couldn't get into, and that happened constantly over the years.

MR. DEPP: I'm sorry? What would happen? Well, if they continued to escalate, if I continued to try to present my version of my side of the story, when you're approached in a kind of - well, when you're approached with such anger and hatred, it seemed like pure hatred for me. If I stayed to argue that, eventually, I was sure that it was going to escalate into violence, and oftentimes it did. Many times it did.

MR. DEPP: Ms. Heard, in her frustration and in her rage and her anger, she would strike out. She would -- it could begin with a slap. It could begin with a shove. It could begin with, you know, throwing the TV remote at my head. It could be throwing a glass of wine in my face. But, all in all, it was just a -- it was constant -- it was a built-in list of -- as I said, my personal experiences, which I gave to Ms. Heard, those things were -- those facts were used against me as weapons, especially when it, you know, when it came to my kids.

MR. DEPP: So, yeah, I -- there was no need for it. It just -- there was no need for it. Too many lines were crossed. You couldn't see the lines anymore.

MR. DEPP: I've said this before in various interviews, but certainly in life, my - if I have one ambition, and ambition, for me, when you equate it with Hollywood, has become a very - has become an ugly word, in a sense, because ambition means I want to be famous at any cost. I don't care what for, I just want to be famous. That's, one thing. That's one part of it If you have a hunger or a need or a drive to present your work, that, to me, is the way to go about it. Fame has nothing to do with it.

MR. DEPP: So, I was more - I mean, basically, the only ambition that I've ever had in my life it came - arrived the second that my first child arrived, in the second, in the instant, which was to be a good parent. To be a great father. To be the best father I could. And then, there were several occasions where Ms. Heard would tell me what a bad father I was and that I had no idea how to parent. And, again, it falls into the same category as before. I couldn't understand how in 52 years, or however old I was at the time, how I could be so wrong about everything. I mean, one learns along the road. The result is -- the result of the road is not important, it's the road that's important, because we don't know exactly what's going to happen in ten years. We don't know. So the road is what I pay attention to.

MR. DEPP: And paying attention to trying to spend as much time with my children as possible, even that would -- that could send Ms. Heard into a monumental tailspin, where I could hardly ever go and see my kids and spend time with my kids because she had to have me there at all times for her own needs.

MR. DEPP: And that was something that once you realize that that's happening and then there are hassles between the children and her, the situation starts to get a little more grim and a little more dire. And that, I was not prepared to take. I would not hear the words "You're a bad father. You're a terrible father. You're an awful father."

MR. DEPP: So, one can only take so much of that before bits of your brain, bits of your heart begin to -- the valve gets shut off because you can't hear it anymore and you know that it's not true, and you know that it's meant as a -- it's just to -- it's to slice you up. It's to bring you down. It's to demean you. It's to bring you into a place where you start to believe that there's something \\Tong with you. And there's plenty wrong with me. There's plenty \\Tong with a lot of people.

MR. DEPP: But in all of these situations, my main goal was to retreat because I think in life, most important, is pick your battles. If there's a battle to be fought, that it's grave and important, then that must be dealt with. But small insults and kind of teenage, high school tactics, this bullying, if you will, was becoming too much to take.

MR. DEPP: That's a very complicated answer. I would -- I can only say that I stayed through all that -- I'm sure that it's somehow related to my father remaining stoic as my mother would beat him to death. I'm sure it had a lot to do with having been in a beautiful, wonderful, 14-, 15-year relationship with Vanessa, the mother of my children, raising those kids. There was -- I had no interest in being the -- the words that they use that I dislike very much, a celebrity, or an entertainer, or fame is a strange word because I could never equate it with myself.

MR. DEPP: I pumped gas, I worked construction, I printed T-shirts, I dug, you know, I had many, many jobs before any of this happened to me. So I've been able to live both sides of that life -- of life. I know the very lows and I know the very highs of where my life has gone. And I've -- it's not -- I don't -- again, it would be pure idiocy for me to sit up here as an actor who's been very, very fortunate over the years, and I can only say it's luck in a sense that someone hands you the ball in the beginning and you run with it, and you run as far as you can before you get tackled So that's what I've always done. But what happens is the word-when the word "celebrity" or when you were a, what do they call it, a public figure, that's what it is, a celebrity or a public figure, again, not complaining, but there are things that are very uncomfortable. And that is to say, that at that point, anybody can say anything they want to about you.

MR. DEPP: And that's happened to me over 36 years or more. That things can be printed in the newspaper that are utterly false, and this is even early on. So this is where that privilege, I suppose that they call the privilege of celebrity, that's where that sticks a knife in you because it's one of those - that's one of those situations where your arms are too short to box with God, you know, there are too many of them coming at you. So, yes, I don't know what her motivations were, if they were - if there was some species of jealousy or there was some species of maybe just hatred, I don't know. But in any case, the elevation and the escalation of these day-to-day arguments were simply unnecessary. It was not to help the relationship. It did not help the relationship. It wasn't meant to help the relationship. It was meant to feed her need for conflict. She has a need for conflict. She has a need for violence.

MR. DEPP: It erupts out of nowhere and what I learned, the only thing I learned to do with it is exactly what I did as a child, retreat. Just take a step back, which I told her, "we need to remove ourselves from each other, even for an hour, a day, anything, because this can't go on. No one can live like this." But why did I stay? I stayed, I suppose, because my father stayed. I suppose because I had been in that relationship with Vanessa, and that was lost, and I didn't want to - I didn't want to fail. I wanted to try to make it work. I felt maybe I could help her. I thought maybe I could bring her around because the Amber Heard that I knew for the first year, year and a half, was not this, suddenly, this opponent. It wasn't my girl. She had become my opponent and everything that I did just didn't fit her. It wasn't -- she didn't accept it.

MR. DEPP: So I stayed because, of course, I didn't want to fail. I didn't want to hurt anyone, especially Ms. Heard. I didn't want to break her heart.

MR. DEPP: I remember very well that when my father left and my mother, Betty Sue, that first attempt at suicide that I woke up to, and that visual in my head; and that was a direct result of my father's leaving. Ms. Heard had spoken of suicide on a couple of occasions, so, that also becomes a factor. That's also something that always lives in the back of your brain and that you fear. Because when I would leave sometimes, and many times when I would try to leave, she would, you know, stop me at the elevator with the security guards, crying, screaming, you know, I can't live without you. You know, I'm going to die. But you had to get out. There were even a couple of times when I did escape and got to my house, arrived at my house at Sweetzer and then five minutes later she would arrive in the, I don't know what car she was driving at the time, but she would arrive in her nightgown, screaming in the parking lot in front of my house, screaming to high heavens and it would be four in the morning, three in the morning. It was ludicrous. It was out of control. It was uncontrollable.

MR. DEPP: Yes. In fact, it was - I was the first person of the two of us to record conversations. And it was for this reason: We would have been talking the night before, or arguing the night before, and she would say something, there would be these, again, these demeaning, berating insults. There would be these jabs. There would be anything to make me feel small and, like, nothing. So what I thought was, I'm going to record the conversation, and I told her this, I'm going to record. I'm going to get my phone and I'm going to record our conversation because I want you to hear what you've said to me tomorrow so that you -- because she would deny having said those things. What are you talking about? You know, it was surreal. She had completely denied things she said directly to my face in a heated and volatile way, and she denied it. So I went to her and I said "I'm going to record us." And I did.

MR. DEPP: And we recorded the conversation, which when she was on tape.-- the first time, it wouldn't -- it escalated a bit, but she was -- well, it was clear that she was performing for the tape because it was being recorded. So that was another clue that something was slightly rotten in the state of Denmark, as it were.

MR. DEPP: I mean, initially, she said, "Sure, go l ahead.

MR. DEPP: No. She -- then she started recording.

MR. DEPP: Telling me that she was recording something, which is fine, but not so fine, if you know what I mean. I Even in those tapes, I don't -- there's -- it never took me to a place where I would go switch into some other entity, which is, I as she has used the term "monster," never switched I Ill to violence. Violence was unnecessary. Why would ! 12 you hit someone to make them agree with you? I don't think it works.

MR. DEPP: Yes.

MR. DEPP: Well, the term monster means, to me, you know, in the beginning, she had used a different word to describe the same thing, and she would use the word demon - demons' that my demons were coming out That she had noticed there was a great change in my attitude or my aggressiveness - aggressive nature. She would say that the demons had come out and they controlled me and that sort of thing.

MR. DEPP: I don't remember exactly how monster came out, but that word stuck and it stayed, well, until this day.

MR. DEPP: What I believe the monster was, in Ms. Heard's mind, was her intense -

MR. DEPP: When I used the term monster with to me as being a monster, there was no way that I was going to sit there and go through a 45-minute Ms. Heard, I was placating. If she had referred argument about, you know, you're a monster. No, I'm not. You're a monster. No, I'm not. You're a monster. No, I'm not. It was impossibility. So, what do you do? You accept her vernacular. You accept what the word that she uses, and then O you use that word to placate her so that it would, at least, calm part of the aggression. It would lessen the attacks, you know.

MR. DEPP: So explaining the monster was, for me - I mean, she had told me many times that the monster was only me when I was using drugs and alcohol.

MR. DEPP: But even when I was stone-cold sober off of alcohol and substances, aside from my meds, the term "the monster" was still there.

MR. DEPP: When she accused me of being high on cocaine or, you know, drinking like a, you know, some sort of, like, drinking like I was, you know, some kind of 19th century sailor, that was the word she clung to, to describe. But it was in her mind, not mine.

MR. DEPP: Well, for example, when we were on the road, you know, when you're traveling, if you're on a press tour, or if you're making a film and you're staying in hotels, or this or that, I would always have to get a different -- or we would always have to book an extra room that I was able to escape to so I didn't have to lock myself in another bathroom.

MR. DEPP: It breaks you do\\11. The constant haranguing breaks you do\\11 and, you know, there's a part of you that says if I'm going to be accused of this, might as well just do it.

MR. DEPP: But it never exceeded, it never -- my substance abuse or use, the alcohol that I used or drank was, again, purely -- it's that little boy who didn't want to hear -- or didn't want to feel the pain of his mother turning him into some kind of ball of insecurity and pain.

MR. DEPP: I 1,3 I is I So, yes, I was more inspired by Ms. Heard to reach out for a numbing agent because of the constant clashes, because of the -- there wasn't -- I mean, maybe a few days here and there, but there wasn't a day that you'd wake up and you'd expect something was going to hit the fan, Is and pretty much like clockwork, it did.

MR. DEPP: So, yes, I had to have something to distance me and distance my heart from those in verbal attacks. I had to have something to be able to maintain me. And I'm afraid for a while, because of placation, because I didn't want to rock the boat, as it were. Again, you pick your battles. So, placation seemed the best route, if I was unable to escape her clutches.

MR. DEPP: Well, verbally, and she had been quite clear verbally as to this, and had been pretty bullyish and brutish about wanting me to - telling me that I needed to stop drinking. But drinking was - basically, drinking wine with her and - I suppose maybe from youth, I don't know, but I've always had a pretty high tolerance for alcohol for - and especially it's not spirits, you know, I had a pretty good tolerance for alcohol substances and things of that nature.

MR. DEPP: But there was no - I had no - I've worked with therapists, drug counselors who have actually said the words to me, because I wanted to know, I wanted to know, am I an alcoholic? Am I an alcoholic or is this just the same thing that I did as a kid when I took my mom's nerve pill? Do I have a drinking problem?

MR. DEPP: It essentially came down to this: Do you have a drinking problem, Johnny?

MR. DEPP: Yes. Just so he can object to another one.

MR. DEPP: Always. Well, yeah, Ms. Heard drank, she took a shine to a very nice Spanish wine called Vega Sicilia, she and all of her friends did. And, yeah, the wine would come out and Ms. Heard could very easily drink two bottles of wine per night with not a problem.

MR. DEPP: What I found strange was when I did get sober from the - when I was off the opiates that I had been addicted to prior to years before, a couple years before, she asked me if I would stop drinking, to save the relationship. Of course, I stopped drinking. And I always found it odd that in support of me not drinking, that she might stop drinking. But she did not. She continued. And I didn't make a big deal about In fact, I would open her wine, I would pour her a glass and that went on for many, many months, you know, in my sobriety. Like I said, I think I was sober for around 18 months.

MR. DEPP: Then, there was a time when I was asked to - and I had been off of alcohol and off of drugs, everything, except for the medication that I'm prescribed, I had to go to London to give a lifetime achievement award to a dear old friend who was an elderly man, great actor called - his name is Christopher Lee, he was a dear friend. I was surprised that he was being surprised by my showing up on stage. I'd just flown in from the States and he said he was very surprised by me arriving to give him this award.

MR. DEPP: And Christopher came up and accepted the award and we walked - they brought us backstage to this beautiful library where we - I was with Christopher and his wife, and a waiter came up and had three glasses of champagne, and Christopher handed one to his wife, he handed one to me and then he had the other. And there was a photographer there, and the glass came up to toast and I just, in my head, I thought it's just champagne, you know, a little bit, tink, to toast Christopher and his lifetime achievement award. And so I had had a half a glass of champagne with Christopher Lee and his wife.

MR. DEPP: After that, immediately after that award ceremony, I went to pick up Ms. Heard and go take her to dinner at a restaurant, and I told her that I had had a half a glass of champagne with Christopher. And I thought, listen, it's not like, you know, you're sitting in a pub guzzling pints of snake bites or Guinness or doing shots of Jägermeister, it wasn't even -- at that point, it wasn't even for a need to abate feelings, emotions, it was, literally, a joyous occasion for Christopher. And I said to her, I enjoyed it, you know.

MR. DEPP: It gave me the opportunity to enjoy the actual champagne, the drink. And my appreciation for wine and wine making, that I'd been fascinated with for years and years. And I saw nothing wrong with it. And I said, I'd like to have a glass of champagne. And she was sitting there with a glass of wine. And she -- we were in the restaurant and she absolutely lost it and got up and stormed to the ladies room. And I told my security and driver, I said, I think we have to go. We're going to have to leave. So we left the restaurant and went home. And the mere suggestion of me sipping a glass of champagne or having one glass or two glasses of wine, she went apoplectic.

MR. DEPP: It was I was weak, I was a complete mess, I was an alcoholic, I was -- you know, I was going to ruin everything. You know, your kids are not proud of you. They can't stand what you're doing to yourself.

MR. DEPP: So, at that point, I said to her, okay, listen, how about this: You want to support me not drinking, I never asked you this before, how about you stop drinking? How about you get sobriety, and share the sobriety with me to support me and help me through this.

MR. DEPP: What did she say to that?

MR. DEPP: No. No. She said no. She said she didn't have a problem.

MR. DEPP: But I have never had a physical addiction to alcohol. I don't.

MR. DEPP: Several times.

MR. DEPP: Well, she was always quite fond of MDMA, which is ecstasy, and mushrooms. And she had some medications that she was on already that were -- one in particular was kind of a high velocity, speed, if you will, called -- I don't know if I can say the name. Am I allowed to say the name? Doesn't matter.

MR. DEPP: Dozen times, 20 times, you know, over the course of the years, through the course of the years.

MR. DEPP: Mushrooms, a little less. Mushrooms, probably, six, seven times.

MR. DEPP: Yes, I remember.

MR. DEPP: It didn't happen. I have never struck Ms. Heard. As I said yesterday, I've never struck Ms. Heard. I have never struck a woman in my life. I'm certainly not going to strike a woman if she decides to make fun of a tattoo that I have on my body. It's like going into someone's journal and picking out things you don't like. She had made mention - there was no incident of argument when the tattoo thing had been brought up many, many times, and there was really nothing I could do. I've always thought of my body as a journal, if you will, to mark experiences, to mark life experiences. You know, for example, when our first child was born, I had her name tattooed on my -- over my heart, which is where her little head used to be when I'd rock her to sleep.

MR. DEPP: I marked my boy's birth by tattooing myself for him. So, no one can go back, or no one should go back and rewrite their journals. Why did I take such great offense to someone making fun of a tattoo on my body? That allegation never made any sense to me, whatsoever.

MR. DEPP: Well, the -- well, a tattoo, that I believe is up here (indicating), which used to say Winona forever, was a former girlfriend. And we'd been together for a few years. Winona Ryder, and when we -- when we broke up, how do you ever fix that? I did go back and rewrite my journal to some degree. I took off the last two letters and had it say "wino forever," just because I thought it was -- I thought it was, again, through pain comes humor. Humor has to come in there at some point, into the pain, and that's how you play it out in your mind.

MR. DEPP: So, I have, I think, sometimes, abstractly, in a sense, so I changed it to wino forever. And any other tattoos -- well, she was very encouraging of me getting a tattoo of her, of her name, or whatever. And I waited a while and then, yes, I did it. I got a full tattoo of her and, ironically, it wasn't long after that that everything started going sideways. I was doing everything I could to bring a smile to her face as opposed to frown, and then the onslaught of whatever problems she was seeing or experiencing. I would try to wake her up with laughter, you know, singing stupid songs in her ear.

MR. DEPP: I genuinely just tried to keep bringing her mood up. Sometimes it worked, many times it didn't.

MR. DEPP: But I tried, and I wanted to try because, as I said, I didn't want to fail. And, at the time, not knowing fully, not understanding fully what I was, if you'll excuse the tenn, up against, I kept trying. I kept trying. But to know that it was forever, it just got worse.

MR. DEPP: May of 2014? May of 2014? There were a number of films that I made in succession. I can't remember if that might have been Pirates - no. Mortdecai or May of - I can't remember.

MR. DEPP: Can you remind me what the May of 2014 film was?

MR. DEPP: Excuse me. Yes. Yes, yes. Yes, I was filming a film called Black Mass in Boston. And Ms. Heard did come with me, and I had to, for the film, I had to - there was - there were very early calls to work because I had a number of prosthetics glued to my face and blue contacts so that I could resemble the - it's based on the true story of James Bulger, James Whitey Bulger, so I had to go in quite early to get the prosthetics glued to my face and all that. And work, you know, work the whole day. And at the end of the night, they would remove the prosthetics, which takes a - if it took three hours to put them on, it took about an hour to take them off. So on top of what could be anywhere between 14-, 16-, 17-hour day of work, well, with the application of the makeup and the taking off of the applications.

MR. DEPP: Yes. Yes, she was.

MR. DEPP: Jerry Judge, Keenan Wyatt, Stephen Deuters, Nathan Holmes, I believe, and I believe Malcolm Connolly was there as well. So I would have my assistants, sound technician, security. I believe that was it.

MR. DEPP: Yes.

MR. DEPP: I remember as I was still shooting, filming Black Mass, before I did Black Mass, the film, my sister, Christi and I were talking about the Roxicodones that I had been, again, you know, that was the monkey on my back, that she came to me, she told me she'd read this book, Dr. Kipper's book, and I read Dr. Kipper's book, a good majority of it, and then I agreed that I would do the detox. I would kick the opiates. But there was no time to do it before the film.

MR. DEPP: So, when the nurse, which was nurse Debbie Lloyd, when she came to Boston, she had asked me, "What is your dosage? How many of these are you taking per day?

MR. DEPP: And, you know, someone who had been under, you know, under the kind of lock and key of a prescription drug that is highly -- a highly addictive, I mean, with built-in barbs. This drug does not want you to stop taking it. She asked me how many I took per day, or my dosage. And, of course, as any person who's addicted and, essentially, a fool to the drug, and you know how important it is because you have felt the sting when it doesn't -- when you don't have it.

MR. DEPP: So I agreed to the detox. And she asked me how many I took. I told her, obviously, more than I was taking, purely because when you're in that frame of mind, the one thing that you do not want to -- a situation you don't want to find yourself in is having no access to the thing that will make you, not high, it will make you -- it gets you -- you only get better from it. If you start to get the shakes and the tremors and the, you know, you could feel this traveling into your system, your receptors are out en masse, and your receptors are demanding that drug. If you don't give the drug to the receptors, you will start going into a pretty nasty withdrawal, and it can -- which, you know, could go into seizures, you could go into pretty nasty seizures.

MR. DEPP: So, I told Debbie Lloyd more than was necessary so that I could always have one or two in my pocket on the just-in-case, so I didn't find myself, you know, on a plane or, you know, anywhere without one in my pocket to stop the inevitable body cramps and nausea and stomach cramps and seizure of the bones and shaking and, also, it's quite an emotional ride as well.

MR. DEPP: So, yes, I -- before the flight, Amber and her assistant, Savannah McMillan wanted to be picked up in New York and then have the plane fly to Boston to pick me up, to bring us back to Los Angeles.

MR. DEPP: We had spoken the night before. We had argued the night before. She was most definitely looking for a -- she was looking for a fight, actively searching for a way to instigate a fight with me.

MR. DEPP: So I've heard the words "blackout" used and -- there's a grave difference between a blackout from alcohol abuse, because that is a person who has ingested enough alcohol to render them -- they can still behave and they can still stand and talk and scream and yell and cry and whatever they do and never remember a thing. And, generally, they're always embarrassed by it. A blackout is a very, very different animal to the opiate taking you into dreamland.

MR. DEPP: So when I arrived on the plane, I was not feeling any pain, and I knew that she was ready for some kind of brawl, and I sat on the plane drawing. I was drawing in my notebook. She would verbally heckle, hassle, accuse, poke, prod, physically, you know, physically poke and prod, psychology, emotionally. It just -- and finally, you know, as was my -- the one thing I learned, if you're going to hide someplace from somebody, go straight into the bathroom. So, I walk back into the back of the plane, I grabbed a pillow, and I went into the bathroom, locked the door, and laid down on the bathroom floor and went to sleep. And that's where I remained for the rest of the flight.

MR. DEPP: I honestly don't recall having any alcohol. I mean, maybe there was the sort of glass of champagne when you got on the plane or something like that, the initial thing, people have glasses of wine. People also tend to have a few drinks before a plane takes off because some people don't like the turbulence and the this and the that, so it's a little bit of a liquid courage, you know. But certainly, after ingesting two of the Roxicodones, alcohol was not necessary. So I can tell you now that I was not drinking to excess, certainly not And if I had, I probably had been in the bathroom hugging porcelain as opposed to sleeping on a pillow.

MR. DEPP: I remember Jerry Judge was on the flight, Savannah was on the flight, Ms. Heard, Keenan Wyatt, Stephen Deuters. I believe that's it.

MR. DEPP: Well, generally, what would happen when we'd land was everybody would go their separate ways. There were several cars waiting, so Keenan had his car, and we'd get in the car and leave. I mean, do you mean once we got back to downtown or...

MR. DEPP: No, I don't believe - no, we didn't, I don't believe. I think she had decided - if this is the time, I'm pretty sure. I believe she had decided to check herself into the Chateau Marmont. There's so many of these, it's hard to sort of keep them all straight.

MR. DEPP: I would have paid for it. If she wanted to go to the Chateau Marmont, I wasn't going to let her pay for it, no matter the circumstances. I wasn't going to let her pay for it because I knew that that might get expensive for her. So, generally, I would take care of things of that nature.

MR. DEPP: No. But I mean, she was -- she was clearly upset and she was irate, and I can't say that it was a bad idea for her to stay at the Chateau Marmont at that time. I don't know whether she went to the Chateau, since she still had her apartment on Orange, I believe, and the penthouse. Because I could have gone to Sweetzer. But she went to the Chateau Marmont.

MR. DEPP: I can't remember if it was a break from the film or if I'd finished the film, and that was ls before we went - well, before I was supposed to go to the island to detox from the opiates.

MR. DEPP: All right.

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MR. DEPP: Dr. Kipper is a - he's been my doctor !is since - ever since I met him, I believe that's ! May of 2014, around there, in Boston.

MR. DEPP: My sister Christi knew, of course, that I had been addicted to the opiates, and she was concerned. And she brought me his book and talked to me, heart to heart, and asked me if I would be willing to go through the detox.

MR. DEPP: Yes, of course.

MR. DEPP: Debbie Lloyd is a nurse who my doctor, Dr. Kipper, had assigned to my case to be the -- to oversee the detox and deliver the meds, the medications, to me that would help with my -- with the effects of withdrawal that one goes through to, essentially, try and knock you out so that you don't go through the nastiness of the affair.

MR. DEPP: Yes, she did.

MR. DEPP: On location, every day. Yes, on location, every day, even when -- after a year or two, I was still seeing her at least on a biweekly basis, two to three times a week.

MR. DEPP: I know that it's - I believe it was around - it was in August, July or August of 2015, '14. I cannot remember the year. '14, I guess.

MR. DEPP: We did- the detox process happened on - I have a place in the Bahamas. Never comfortable saying this, but it's an island. It's a very strange thing to say. But I thought that that would be the best place, the most private place, where there were no worries of paparazzi or any of that. So it was a place where I could literally be - the only place where I can have actual anonymity. So I thought that would be the best place to do it.

MR. DEPP: Debbie -- Nurse Debbie Lloyd traveled with me on a plane, Ms. Heard. And I believe that was it on the plane to go to the island for the detox. I was not bringing security. I was not bringing assistants. In fact, initially, my sister, Christi was going to go there to help Ms. Lloyd and the doctor through the detox, which made perfect sense, since that -- the whole thing I had been born out of her desire for me to get clean. So, initially, it was supposed to be Christi coming in place of Ms. Heard.

MR. DEPP: There was a great part of me that was very uncomfortable with Ms. Heard coming along for that detox because as things could fluctuate very rapidly in our relationship, I was wary that those things would come up during what needed to be a very straight detoxification of these substances. And I was well aware that it was not going to be pleasant. I was well aware that I was going to go through quite a bit of physical changes, physical -- yes, I was afraid that it would be too much for her, and I also felt that she might be too much for me at the time.

MR. DEPP: She insisted, and she switched places with Christi.

MR. DEPP: I would say the best way to describe it is it feels like you're -- it feels like the inside of you, the very inside of you, is trying to escape the body. So, it's - it becomes, obviously, very physical and, so, therefore, you'll go into a withdrawal, would mean that you would go into, you would have immense cramps in your stomach, your muscles would seize, my body would shake, the pain is like nothing I've ever experienced before.

MR. DEPP: Part of it was - the best way to explain it, for example, there was a situation that- when we were on the island and I was going through the detox, and it was hitting pretty hard at that point, and Ms. Heard had made a deal with Nurse Debbie and Dr. Kipper to stay at their end of the island and that she would administer the drugs to me, administer the medications that I needed to not go into the, for lack of a better word, these intense, sharp, painful, heebie-jeebies, and there was a moment when I could feel my body starting to tense and I could feel the withdrawals coming on, and they'd come on quick, and they're not discreet. They go straight for the jugular.

MR. DEPP: I mean, like I said, when your receptors are in full bloom and begging for the substance, the drug, the opiates that my body had become used to, these receptors that were being fed by there was a moment when it was coming on very fast and I was sitting on the couch in the little house that we all saw on the island, Ms. Heard was at the she was in the sort of kitchen area and she was chopping vegetables, I remember, and I think it was around 2:30 in the afternoon and the effects of the withdrawals were really coming on, and I said to Ms. Heard, going to need the meds now.

MR. DEPP: And she said - she looked at the clock and she said, "It's not time." I said, "No, no, you don't understand." This is not about clocks and watches and things. I'm going into - and it was visible. And I hate to have - I hate saying this, and I hate to have to admit this, but that was - I believe that was about the lowest point in my life. That was the lowest I'd ever felt as a human being because I had to say, "Please. Please, may I have the meds," because it's really kicking in. And she was adamant. Nope, it's not time. It's not time.

MR. DEPP: So, in explaining how these withdrawals start to take over your body, when I was begging, at that point, for the meds, I found that I had sort of rolled off the couch and I was sitting on the floor, crying. Tears streaming down my face begging another human being to please, please, give me the meds that will take this away. And she would not. She was adamant that, nope, it's not time. 4:00.

MR. DEPP: So the only thing that one can do in that situation is you have to trick the body. You have to manipulate your body away from those -- well, you have to trick the body to get away from the receptors. So, the only thing that one can do is you go straight to the shower and you put it on scalding water and you stand underneath the scalding shower, and since you're burning, the top of, you know, your skin is burning from the heat of the water.

MR. DEPP: And what that would do is it would trick the nervous -- the nerves away from the receptors because they had -- now they had an immediate problem that needed to be dealt with, the nerves. So what it does is the scalding shower would reverse those nerve endings and they would go up to the top of the skin because there was a problem there. So that's how you -- that's how I was able to bypass those withdrawal symptoms at times. It doesn't fully take them away, but what it does is it tricks your body into thinking that there's something going horribly wrong on time, so it

MR. DEPP: Keeps them away from the receptors. And after that, I had a conversation with Nurse Debbie and with Dr. Kipper, and I said I don't believe - I told them that she had denied me the meds when I was in need and then I told them that I don't think that this is going to work here anymore. I think we have to leave the island. And I need to be - she can't be with me while I'm going through the rest of this detoxification. So I told them we should leave the island. I told - I asked them if they understood what I was doing, and they did.

MR. DEPP: So we went back to Los Angeles and then I asked Ms. Heard if she would, please, allow me five days, seven days, whatever it took, to get out of - to get done with - finished with the rest of this horrific detox and the pain.

MR. DEPP: She did. Reluctantly, yes. I was immediately accused of throwing her out. I was accused of abandoning her. I was accused of not appreciating all that she had done to get me to this point where I was, which was kind of an interesting argument for me. I begged her, please, can I get a place at the Beverly Hills Hotel, I'll get you and your friends a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel where you can all stay together and have a grand old flag. You can have fun. You can do whatever you want and you don't have to sit around Mr. Shaky. And she wasn't happy about it, but it was very necessary.

MR. DEPP: So, she did eventually leave for about five days or so, and I sat in a - after a few days, I sat in a metal chair with one song on the - one song on a loop that I could focus on the lyrics and the power of the song to help me get through it. And even once the effects started to go away, that is the pain, I was still in this - something strange that happens, you feel electricity in your body. You feel this electric, very foreign. And you're just sitting there, like, going through it.

MR. DEPP: And I didn't understand what the electricity was until, probably - and this lasted - the electricity, that feeling, so lasted for a month, two months, and I finally realized, at a certain point, what that electricity was, and I was feeling, that's what it was. I was actually feeling without the aid of the drug, without the aid of any drugs. I mean, I had refused, with Dr. Kipper and Nurse Debbie and Amber at the table, before she left for the hotel with her friends, I had refused to continue taking the phenobarbital and the lithium because, to me, it was just another drug in the way.

MR. DEPP: It seemed like it was just another hurdle to get over, and I would rather just get it out of my system now and move forward. Maybe I wouldn't have had the electricity. Maybe I wouldn't have felt as quickly. But I didn't want to take phenobarbital and lithium and Seroquel and Neurontin and all these other things. And the worst of the two, I believe, was the phenobarbital and the lithium. So, I just -- I went through that mood and the kick without those two drugs.

MR. DEPP: It was indeed successful, yes. It was indeed successful. And as I said, you know, this newfound-well, it was electricity was kind of jarring, and I suddenly felt this energy. And, like I said, I realized what was actually happening was I was simply feeling things without being provided anything to really numb it. So I could - I was feeling for the first time in many years. There was nothing to cover or to hide or to suppress the feelings. It was just me and that electricity that I got to know as the - what actually feeling feelings was like, in many, many years.

MR. DEPP: Four years. Four years, maybe, was it? 1172012 or to 2000 -we were married on February 3rd, I believe, 2016.

MR. DEPP: Excuse me. Since my mother - my mom, Betty Sue, who, by this time in her life, had mellowed quite a bit, and she'd been through a number of illnesses. Since my mom was ill and one doctor had told me that she had no more than three months, I went to Ms. Heard and we knew we were going to do something on the island, but we -- I decided, or asked her, and we both agreed, that her parents would come to my mom's house so that my mom could witness the wedding and be there and all that. So we held it at my mom's house for that reason. My children were there and Ms. Heard's family and friends, and so that was, yes, February 3rd, 2016.

MR. DEPP: No, no. \Vas it '15? I don't know. I Sorry. I'm sorry, what was your question?

MR. DEPP: No. The actual ceremony, the actual wedding, wedding that goes down on paper was February 3rd at my mom's, at Betty Sue's house. And then we all immediately left for the -- for the island for the -- well, the dream wedding, I guess.

MR. DEPP: Well, I had proposed to Ms. Heard a couple of years before, I believe, and so we had talked occasionally about when would be the right time, in terms of between schedules and how can we make this so that we could actually have a wedding and a honeymoon and then go on to do the work.

MR. DEPP: At first, my sister Christi was handling all of the details and things, for example, that Ms. Heard wanted for the wedding. She and Raquel had decided that they were going to design what the wedding was going to be like.

MR. DEPP: At a certain point, Ms. Heard was getting very, very -- she started to get very upset with Christi, my sister, and accused me and Christi of trying to slow the process.

MR. DEPP: No. I -- no, I wasn't trying to slow y g the process. But what I couldn't understand was when Ms. Heard suddenly -- Ms. Heard and her friend, Raquel Pennington had decided to take all that away from my sister, and then they jumped in and --

MR. DEPP: Good one.

MR. DEPP: Close friends, family, obviously, my father, my dad came, my son was there. He was my best man. My daughter, Lily-Rose, did not come to the wedding. She and Ms. Heard were not on particularly great terms for several reasons. There were a number of -- number of Ms. Heard's friends and her family. So I would say, all in all, maybe there were -- seems like there could have been no more than 20 people, 25 people, maybe.

MR. DEPP: Yes, there was alcohol served at the wedding. It was champagne. It was all the accoutrements, yes

MR. DEPP: Yes.

MR. DEPP: Well, there was a schedule that was written out and printed out and sent out so that everyone would know exactly the time that everything would happen. And on that sheet, the schedule, there was a, like, some kind of rehearsal type thing. There was also -- there was a great dilemma in who was going to be who. That's where the argument between Ms. Pennington and iO Tillett Wright --

MR. DEPP: A number of people were taking MDMA As I said, the list, there was a -- after the wedding, there was a -- it was, like, dinner, dancing and drugs on the schedule that came from Ms. Heard and Ms. Pennington. So, Amber, Raquel, a couple of friends of mine, Savannah, her assistant, Tillett Wright. All of her gang were partaking in the MDMA.

MR. DEPP: To be honest with you, I was -- I mean, I don't know how much MDMA they had, but, for me, that was -- for me to have taken MDMA would have been a waste of the drug, if you understand what I mean. It would have been, essentially, taking someone else's high because -- it wouldn't have an effect on me.

MR. DEPP: The day of our wedding?

MR. DEPP: I smoked marijuana and I don't remember drinking. I don't remember that I was drinking then. This was right before she was going to London to do, I believe, London Fields, and I was going off to Australia to do Pirates 5.

MR. DEPP: I'm pretty positive, at that point, I wasn't partaking of alcohol. My drug of choice is - or was, is marijuana. That's all I - that was fine for me.

MR. DEPP: So dipping into a little tiny baggie of, you know, licking your finger and dipping into a little tiny communal bag of MDMA, it wasn't going to - it was pointless for me.

MR. DEPP: No, we did not. No.

MR. DEPP: There always seemed to be some reason or another why she wouldn't - either wouldn't discuss it, or if we did discuss it, it became an issue that would turn into a - it would springboard into unpleasantness and then arguments. And then it was also too late. At a certain point, it was just too late.

MR. DEPP: So, then, the idea of a postnup agreement was brought up to Ms. Heard, and that was in Australia. That was the beginning of the Australian fight.

MR. DEPP: I was working on Pirates of the Caribbean 5.

MR. DEPP: Jerry Judge, Malcolm Connolly, Nathan Holmes, Stephen Deuters, Keenan Wyatt. I believe that was it. Oh, and - yeah, yeah, that was it.

MR. DEPP: Oh, yeah, Ms. Lloyd. Ms. Lloyd traveled to Australia with us.

MR. DEPP: Yeah. Dr. Kipper came down a bit I later.

MR. DEPP: Yes.

MR. DEPP: Sean Bailey, at that time, I believe he was the number three man at Disney, in terms of hierarchy. He was upper echelon Disney. So he was under Bob Iger, and initially under Dick Cook, who was removed from Disney for some reason. So, yes, he was the number three man at Disney.

MR. DEPP: The discussions that I would have --

MR. DEPP: Was having with Mr. Bailey, with Sean Bailey were they had to do -- well, as I think we've established, you know, I have always, from the beginning of those series of films, I had always rewritten my character's words and jokes, if you will, and situational comedy and things that I would add, and Mr. Bailey was very complimentary , about some of the things that I had done. He's --

MR. DEPP: You know, he would come over to me laughing after a take.

MR. DEPP: She came a little later, yes.

MR. DEPP: I don't recall -- well, no, I do recall. It was March. It was March.

MR. DEPP: Ms. Heard was upset because, as I stated earlier, as it was too late for a prenup agreement, there was a discussion of postnup agreement. And I had called my lawyer at the time and asked him if he could have one of his lawyers sit down with Ms. Heard and give her a basic rundown of what a postnuptial agreement meant, and I was told that they showed her --

MR. DEPP: Ms. Heard told me that the attorney that she met with was rude and dismissive and all she was being shown was an example of a postnuptial agreement.

MR. DEPP: Ms. Heard, then, stated to me - she was very upset. She stated to me that what she had said was she said to the lawyer, the woman, that this - Johnny can't - he doesn't know about this. He doesn't know that this is what this is. No way he would agree to this.

MR. DEPP: And what Ms. Heard, then, expressed to me was that the lawyer, the woman had laughed at her and said, "Oh, he knows. Yes, he knows everything," which sent her into a tailspin.

MR. DEPP: So by the time she arrived in Australia, that was sunk very deep into her psyche. I mean, so much so that what really surprised me was that she kept saying, "I'm not even in your will. I'm not even in your will."

MR. DEPP: I thought that was an odd thing to say, especially since I don't think anybody had had time to change wills or anything of that nature.

MR. DEPP: So those things just didn't - it felt wrong. And she could not let go of the fact that I was in on this postnup agreement and that I was trying to trick her into essentially getting nothing if something were to happen.

MR. DEPP: I just told her those are not my intentions, you know. And at a certain point, you don't know what to do. I mean, the person is telling you - she's telling you "You don't trust me. You don't trust me. You don't trust me." And I can't speak about legal documents. I can't speak legalese. I can't explain to her these things. All I could do was try to calm her down and say that I was not out to screw her over or put her in a position that was uncomfortable -

MR. DEPP: And to stop normal things to do. It did not work, no. It escalated and escalated and turned into madness, chaos, violence.

MR. DEPP: Yes. She was irate. She was irate and she was possessed. And when I tried to remove myself, as I normally would from a situation, as she's hammering with sort of brutal words and, you know, I don't -- pardon my language, but I remember that it wasn't nice, sort of being called an ass kisser to lawyers or a pussy that didn't fight for her or stand up for her. I, again, tried to remove myself from the situation, but to no avail, as I literally -- the house that they had rented for me in Australia was quite a large place. It was quite a bit of an elaborate and a lot of rooms, some extra rooms. So I would just go to -- well, I'll just cut to the chase.

MR. DEPP: I think that I ended up locking myself in about, at least, nine bedrooms, bathrooms that day as she was banging on the doors and screaming obscenities and wanting to have a physical altercation.

MR. DEPP: There was one point where I stayed in a -- sitting on the bathroom floor, the door l locked, she's banging away, banging away, screaming blah, blah, blah, and suddenly she stopped, and I could hear her walk away. I could hear her sort of receding into the distance, if you will. You know, so, yes, it became very emotional because you can't win for losing. It was nothing I could do to make her understand that I had -- if that lawyer had, in fact, done that, and I did call my lawyer at the time, Jake Bloom, and I had him get these people on the phone. And I -- I'm ashamed to say that I had taken, at that point, when I was on the phone with them, I had taken Ms.

MR. DEPP: Heard's words to heart and I laid out a ration of very -- I was very upset that she was pushed to that limit because I believed it, and, in fact, none of it had happened. So it was all getting too crazy. And, again, I had been sober for many, many months from alcohol and substances, aside from the marijuana, and I got -- I left the place, the room that I was hiding, not hiding in, locked myself into, and I went downstairs in the house -- downstairs in the house, as soon as you walk in the house, you can go upstairs or downstairs. And downstairs, there was sort of a rec area, pool table and such, and there was a bar. And I was a mess, I was a wreck. I was shaking and I just didn't understand why all this was happening.

MR. DEPP: So, I went behind the bar, I grabbed a bottle of vodka that was there and a shot glass, and sat at the bar, she was nowhere around, and I poured myself two or three stiff shots of the vodka, first taste of alcohol I had had in a long time. And then she came down to the bar and found me there, and, of course, started screaming, oh, you're drinking again, oh, the monster, and all that. So she reached -- she walked up to me and she reached and grabbed the bottle of vodka and then just kind of stood back and then hurled it at me. And it just went right past my head and smashed behind me.

MR. DEPP: So, I stood up and I walked behind the bar and there was a larger bottle of vodka, the kind with the handle, you know, on it. I grabbed that and I went and I sat in my seat again. I opened the bottle and I poured myself a shot and I drank it Ms. Heard was flinging insults left, right, and center, and she, then, grabbed that 1 bottle and threw that at me. And the way that the - the way that the bar was situated, and where Ms. Heard was, so if - if I could show you.

MR. DEPP: So if - this is the bar where the glass was and the bottle. This was the bar and I'm sitting here. She grabbed the bottle and she would go there, she went there. And so, I was leaning like this (indicating) in the chair looking at her, first bottle went, then I got the other bottle, shot, takes the second bottle, which was the larger one, I'm in this position again, and my hand is on the edge of the bar like that and leaning over the fingers like that (indicating), and she threw the large bottle and it made contact and shattered everywhere.

MR. DEPP: And I honestly didn't -- I didn't feel the pain at first, at all. I felt no pain whatsoever. What I felt was I felt heat. I felt heat and I felt as if something were dripping down my hand, you know. And then I looked down and realized that the tip of my finger had been severed, and I was looking directly at my bones sticking out and the meaty portion of the inside of your finger, and it was -- blood was just pouring out. And at that point, I think that I went into some sort of -- I don't know what a nervous breakdown feels like, but that's probably the closest that I've ever been. I didn't -- nothing made sense. And I knew, in my mind, and in my heart, this is not life. This is not life. No one should have to go through this.

MR. DEPP: And, as I said, this feeling of nervous, being in the middle of some sort of nervous breakdown, I started to write with my blood, in my own blood, on the walls, little reminders from our past that essentially represented lies that she had told me and lies that I had caught her in. And then the next thing, you know, amongst all the madness, I would, again, hide in the bathroom, or wherever, and I texted Dr. Kipper and I said, you might want to come over, I've cut my finger off here.

MR. DEPP: It's the middle - it's the funny-looking one. It's the middle finger here. You can see the - well, you can see all the sort of - from the initial wound, this - all these bones up here were crushed and it looked like a Vesuvius, you know. So this - oops, excuse me. So this part of my finger now, because of not having use of the tip, this is basically arthritis that kicks into the joint once that upper part of the finger is mangled.

MR. DEPP: Right middle, yes.

MR. DEPP: Yes, it is. Yes. vodka bottle at you and severed your finger, what, if anything, did she say when she saw the injury?

MR. DEPP: I don't recall anything but just it was almost like white noise. Just someone yelling. It was just a high-pitched, constant attack of insults. It was just jumbled words to me, in a very high frequency, and I was in a bit of shock, you know. I was in shock.

MR. DEPP: Yes. Jerry Judge, Malcolm Connolly, I believe Debbie Lloyd was there. Yes, Debbie Lloyd was there. Ben King had arrived as well.

MR. DEPP: Ben King was - he's essentially- he's a house - sort of an estate manager. We worked together in London a few times, and he's a wonderful guy, so I brought Ben along to Australia to manage everything. He's very- he's very, very good and very nice.

MR. DEPP: And then, there was also - yeah, I mentioned Malcolm and Jerry. Yeah, they were there as well.

MR. DEPP: When Malcolm and Dr. Kipper - when they took me to -- first, we went to Malcolm's apartment, where he was staying while we were shooting the film, and tried to clean my hand because I had worked the day before and, obviously, when you're playing a pirate, Captain Jack or whatever, you're covered -- they paint on with alcohol, rubbing alcohol, they paint dirt into your hands and into your face and everything. So, they were worried about getting my finger cleaned. So they tried doing that at Malcolm's.

MR. DEPP: And Kipper said, no, we've got to get to the emergency room, and we've got to get hold of the tip of his finger. So we went to the emergency room, the doctor asked me what happened, and I lied to him. I said that I had smashed it in these large, accordion doors, that it had got caught in the accordion doors.

MR. DEPP: I lied because I did not -- I didn't feel -- I didn't want to disclose that it was what it was. I didn't want to disclose that it had been -- I didn't want to disclose that it had been Ms. Heard that had thrown the -- thrown a vodka bottle at my -- at me and then took my finger off. I didn't want to get her in trouble. I didn't want to -- I tried to just keep things as copasetic and as easy as possible for everyone. I did not want to put her name in that mix.

MR. DEPP: Yes.

MR. DEPP: I went to Malcolm Connolly's apartment and slept on his couch.

MR. DEPP: Ms. Heard was -- I wasn't there, but I had -- it was clear that she had to -- she needed to leave. And I'd asked them to get her on a flight from Melbourne or Sydney, or wherever, back to Los Angeles.

MR. DEPP: I didn't want to see her. I didn't want to see her. I didn't want to have any more arguments. I was - for all intents and purposes, I was just done.

MR. DEPP: Nice.

MR. DEPP: That's me in the emergency room I see a detail that I forgot- I had forgotten, which is the - Ms. Heard had pulled - taken my cigarette from the ashtray and stomped it out in my face here.

MR. DEPP: It's right above that green dot.

MR. DEPP: I do not know.

MR. DEPP: Just above the green dot is a wound from Ms. Heard taking my cigarette, and this is after the finger had gone away, and she stubbed it out in my face, on my cheek. So, that's the result of that.

MR. DEPP: Yep. That's -

MR. DEPP: The remains of my finger.

MR. DEPP: I believe this was taken at the Is emergency room, I would imagine.

MR. DEPP: After the emergency room, the following day, I was sent to a - they found a surgeon in Australia so that I could go - they wanted me to take - have X-rays taken and all that. So we went to that doctor, the finger surgeon, and he asked me what happened to my finger. And I, again, lied and I stuck to the story that it was smashed in an accordion, a large, accordion door. And he looked at me as if I were lying. And the next thing I heard was "sir, that is a wound of velocity.

MR. DEPP: Yes.

MR. DEPP: I believe it was probably the next day, where it might have been Kipper or someone who had hooked me up with a wonderful surgeon, a great expert in reconstruction of, you know, hands, fingers, digits, whatever. So I went to see the surgeon and we prepped for surgery, you know, pretty quickly.

MR. DEPP: The majority of this was all missing and, essentially, to some degree, hollowed out, if you will, because the bone had shattered and then there was the bone that was sticking out down there.

MR. DEPP: So he had to take - do a skin graft from this part of my hand and graft it onto my finger to give me a finger again.

MR. DEPP: I don't think it was initially that they put the pin in. I think the pin feels like the pin came later. I'm not sure. But he had just I had to go after the surgery, it was bandaged up, and, you know, they give you all kinds of things on what to do, what not to do, keep it elevated, things like that. I just walked away with a very large middle finger. It was all wrapped up to, like, this indicating and then, you know, medicated. They gave me shots in there and such.

MR. DEPP: Well, the bandage was from the time of the surgery all the way through the remainder of finishing Pirates of the Caribbean, which was, I think I finished - the injury took place in March. Finished Pirates of the Caribbean 5, I believe, in August, beginning of August, end of July.

MR. DEPP: So, there was a bandage on it the whole time. What I had to do was wear -you know, there's a special effects trick that they had planned. Basically, whatever bandage I had on, as long as they could, they would put little green dots, for example, on the splint and the finger and all that, and the bandages, so that in postproduction, they could use what's called computer-generated imagery, CGI, to erase the bandage and put a - replace it with a normal finger. That's how we finished the film.

MR. DEPP: Yes, I do.

MR. DEPP: This was taken in the surgeon's office where I'd go in well, I had to go in every couple or few days to have it checked out for infections and such. And this finger/non-finger was wrapped quite heavily and there was this medicated kind of greasy, medicated thing on top of the wound itself. And this I believe, seems like when the pin was in here, and the wrapping is bandage is well, I had my choice, you know, and I thought, well, might as well take the kiddie bandages, you know, dinosaurs and hearts and unicorns, as I at least have some humor to deflect the pain.

MR. DEPP: After the initial injury?

MR. DEPP: I would say no more than -- seems to me no more than five days, a week.

MR. DEPP: I was wearing bandages all the way up until I finished the film and then -- yeah, through -- up through August, for sure, and then beyond. I had to keep it -- I had to keep it covered. I had to keep it protected.

MR. DEPP: I would say maybe -- I think it was about two or three days, because I remember that there was -- maybe more. But I just remember that the pain seemed to be getting worse and worse, and Debbie would rate it. Is this a 8 out of 10, is this a 3 out of 10? That kind of thing.

MR. DEPP: At a certain point, it became kind of a 12 out of 10 because it felt hot, very, very hot, and it felt -- there was throbbing, it was like there was throbbing, and the pin in there, it was like I could feel the pin in it. So I -- we called the surgeon, I called the surgeon, told him - or, actually, I think it might have been Debbie Lloyd, actually, that called. I knew I had to see the surgeon again because something felt very wrong. And I went there and he removed all the bandages and he found that my finger was, indeed, infected and that I had contracted MRSA, MRSA, which is, like, I believe like the flesh-eating disease or something. But it was a pretty - it was a pretty grotesque sight after that, with the pin and what they had to do to save it.

MR. DEPP: No, ma'am. No, no, no. No more.

COURT BAILIFF: All rise.

COURT BAILIFF: All rise. Please be seated and come to order.

MR. DEPP: I believe that's - well, it's definitely me after receiving kind of a roundhouse punch from Ms. Heard. I believe that this is - that's March. I believe that this is from what's been called the staircase incident.

MR. DEPP: Am I correct?

MR. DEPP: I'm just looking at the top.

MR. DEPP: Mr. Bett, Sean Bert.

MR. DEPP: Sorry?

MR. DEPP: The injury to my finger was sustained, I believe it was a couple of weeks or so before this. Because I was - we were back in Los Angeles for the surgery, rehabilitation of the digit.

MR. DEPP: Well, it was still a very fresh wound. When that amount of-when the tip of your - when your finger is severed, that's not going to heal up for a very long time. And so my finger was still - it was still a very fresh wound.

MR. DEPP: I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure that this might have been around the time of the pin, the pin that was put into my finger to keep it together, I guess.

MR. DEPP: It wasn't a cast, per se; it was bandaging. When the bandage was out to sort of here (indicating), that was extra padding for the tip-of-the-finger protection and, also, because of the pin that was in there. And so, as I had said before, there were -- when Nurse Debbie would ask, you know, "Give me, you know, on a scale of 1 to 10 your pain," when the finger started to feel differently and hurt a lot more and became like a 12 out of 10 pain, that was -- yes, that was rather -- and the reason for that was because of the infection, MRSA, had already been working its way for a number of days.

MR. DEPP: Again, there was another confrontation, another confrontation, another argument about something or other, and we were -- we were in penthouse 5 area, which was where Ms. Heard had her office at the top of the stairs. And so the stairs came down and then there was a landing, and then another set of stairs went down the opposite direction.

MR. DEPP: And this took place on the landing, where she was coming at me and trying to -- well, trying to get to me, trying to hit me, trying to do anything she could. And then Whitney, her sister, was there who stepped in the way. And it was interesting, now, is that Whitney stepped in front of Amber and was facing Amber to stop Amber, and when she was in between us, Amber snuck in the - she reached, got the roundhouse in, and just nailed me on the cheekbone.

MR. DEPP: I do not. I really don't.

MR. DEPP: By that time, Mr. McGivern had been called. I believe that - actually, Debbie, as I remember, Debbie Lloyd was at the front door of penthouse 5, standing by the door. Mr. McGivern was kind of at the bottom of the last group of stairs, and then the thump happened and I got myself out of there, out of the situation, and I walked down the stairs to Mr. McGivern just to say, "Let's get out of here," you know. And I remember that something was thrown from up there. I don't recall what it was, but something was thrown at me.

MR. DEPP: Seemed like it was like a - I don't know if it was a bag of, like, pens or -- but it was from her office area.

MR. DEPP: You know, as I get older, I feel as though, you know, I want to say something to you, that it was okay; that's the promise you gave me a little while ago.

MS. HEARD: Again --

MR. DEPP: -- and your memory is gone from you kicking the bathroom door and hitting me in the skull --

MS. HEARD: Again --

MR. DEPP: Wait.

MS. HEARD: Am sorry.

MR. DEPP: If you have those memories of the fucking, you know, did (indiscernible) -- I said there was lots of wine and I was on Ambien.

MS. HEARD: Why are you obsessing on something I can't remember it the way you remembered it? I said I was sorry.

MR. DEPP: I'm not talking about that. What I...

MR. DEPP: It's not an escape, it's not creating matters not to engage. It's just to get out of a bad situation while it's happening before it gets worse.

MS. HEARD: In Australia, I mean, that was a big fight where I lost the tip of my finger.

MS. HEARD: At least five bathrooms and two bedrooms I went up to, to -- to --

MS. HEARD: To avoid talking to me. And where are you now?

MR. DEPP: To escape the fight.

MS. HEARD: You don't escape the fight, you escape the solution.

MR. DEPP: No.

MS. HEARD: You escape the solution.

MR. DEPP: No.

MS. HEARD: Escape? Figure it out. We cannot work it out if you run away to the bathroom every time.

MR. DEPP: Listen to me. Listen to me. A boxer can't go 12 rounds without a fucking minute break.

MS. HEARD: I am not giving you a minute break. You do it at minute three at the beginning of the argument.

MR. DEPP: I know. But there are rounds, ma'am. And when it gets too fucking hairy, the rest isn't a part of whether. But I'm -- all I'm saying is you can't have a solution if the argument just keeps mounting and mounting S and mounting and mounting.

MR. DEPP: I fucking go into the bathroom and sit on the floor. Barn, barn, barn. Here you come. I come out. Fight, fight, fight. Crazy. Escalated.

MR. DEPP: I go screw it again. I go to another fucking bathroom or bedroom or something. Knock, knock, knock. Bang, bang, bang. You kept coming to get me.

MR. DEPP: I'm not the one who fucking throws things. Fucking pots and --

MS. HEARD: That's different.

MR. DEPP: And anything else at me.

MS. HEARD: That's different. That's when one does not negate the other. That's irrelevant. A complete non sequitur. Just because I throw pots and pans does not mean that you come and knock on the door.

MR. DEPP: (Indiscernible).

MS. HEARD: Just because I throw a S vapor does not mean that you come and knock on the door.

MR. DEPP: So I should just let you throw --

MS. HEARD: I'm not saying that. You're saying that. You're putting words in my mouth and then making non sequiturs.

MR. DEPP: I'm getting to the situation.

MS. HEARD: No. You are trying to justify how you don't when you come to the door --

MR. DEPP: No, I'm just --

MR. DEPP: I 1 to think that there's this cowardism in me that runs away and I don't fight for you.

MS. HEARD: And you're justifying that by saying I throw pots and pans? Okay, cool. That's not why I'm hitting you.

MR. DEPP: I'm not the one ...

MR. DEPP: I said no. I said no. I said to you, "Hey, tell Travis what just happened."

MS. HEARD: And you told me to do that You told me "Go do that."

MR. DEPP: I said, "No, tell him what you said."

MS. HEARD: And I lied.

MR. DEPP: When you punched me in the mouth with--

MS. HEARD: You're right.

MR. DEPP: That thing.

MS. HEARD: You figured it all out.

MR. DEPP: And you said, "I don't I" I fucking gotta do it. What the fuck are you talking about? And then --

MS. HEARD: Hey, fuck you, by the way. s I'm son-y I didn't hit you across the face in a proper slap, but I'm saying I'm not punching you.

MS. HEARD: You're not punched.

MR. DEPP: Don't tell me what it feels I like to be punched in the head.

MS. HEARD: Now are you gonna lie about it. Been a helluva long time. I know.

MR. DEPP: No. When you fucking have a (indiscernible).

MS. HEARD: You didn't get punched. You got hit. I'm sorry you got hit. But I did not punch you. I did not fucking deck you. I fucking was hitting you. I don't know what the full motion of my actual hand was. But you're fine. I did not hurt you. I did not punch you. I'm hitting you.

MR. DEPP: Now you're talking.

MS. HEARD: What am I supposed to do, do this? I'm not sitting here bitching about it, am I? You are.

MS. HEARD: That's the difference between me and you. You're a fucking baby.

MR. DEPP: Because you start --

MS. HEARD: You are such a baby. Grow the fuck up, Johnny.

MR. DEPP: Did you start physical fights.

MS. HEARD: I did start physical fights.

MR. DEPP: Yeah, you did. So I had to get the fuck out of there.

MS. HEARD: Because -- yes, you did. You did the right thing, the big thing.

MS. HEARD: You know what, you are admirable.

MR. DEPP: What was just played on the audio 9 8 -----17-:"9":"8 - recordings was very much the tone and the aggression and the attitude and the need for a fight from Ms. Heard. That was - I don't know if that was some need for attention, but I don't - that was the sound that I had gotten very used to, the squabbling, you know, the raising of the voice to essentially ex-communicate anything that I had to say about the situation.

MR. DEPP: But, then, I do remember the - that incident. I believe that's from the - when I was - that was in the bathroom and I was, in fact, taking a shower, and this was in penthouse 3, and she came banging on the door, banging on the door. I didn't answer; I was in shower. I couldn't deal with it. I didn't want to deal with any more of that sarcastic, demeaning, aggressive, violent, toxic spew.

MR. DEPP: And so I was taking a shower, and I didn't want to answer the door. She kept banging. And then I finally got out of the shower, and I opened the bathroom door about just that much (indicating), just so I could have a good hold on the door in case she tried to burst in, and I was right; she did She tried- bathroom doors go in. She was pushing her - all of her weight on the door trying to get in, and I was pushing back because I didn't want to let her in because I didn't obviously want the confrontation. She was not in the best of moods, you can - you can hear. So when I was pushing the bathroom door trying to close it and was almost closed, she suddenly kind of yelped in pain, and she screamed out, "Ow. My toes," or "my foot," or something. So in that second I thought possibly her foot had gotten caught under the door, which would, of course, not feel great on the foot or the toe, so I thought she was maybe injured. So I knelt down to have a look. The door was still - it was still pretty well about that much open (indicating).

MR. DEPP: And when I knelt down on my hands and knees to look at her foot to see the injury, she kicked the bathroom door into my head. So it- yeah, she kicked the bathroom door into my head, And I was completely taken aback by such a corrosive, horrific move. So I stood up and I believe I - I stood up, but by this - this point, the door was open. I stood up, and I said, I think I said, "What the fuck was that? What the fuck was that?" And the next move was just a bang, and just she clocked me in the jaw, and that was another shocker.

MR. DEPP: Sorry?

MR. DEPP: That audio recording was about her trying to make less of what had happened, in fact, trying to make less of what had happened by repeating some story to me that didn't make any sense, and it certainly didn't make any sense since I was there and I was the target. So I wanted some confirmation from someone with some semblance of a mind that could understand what was happening. I wanted Mr. McGivern to come up, and I asked her to tell him what had just happened. And her answer was essentially, "I don't know what he's talking about. Nothing happened. He's fine.

MR. DEPP: And once again, I had told Mr. McGivern, "Time to leave the premises."

MR. DEPP: Okay.

MR. DEPP: That's a photograph of the blade of an old, like, a bowie knife. That's the photograph of the blade with an inscription on it to me from Ms. Heard, who, at the time, I referred to as "Slim."

MR. DEPP: Until death.

MR. DEPP: "XX Slim."

MR. DEPP: Ms. Heard.

MR. DEPP: Well, it was a present from Ms. Heard. I believe it was around 2015.

MR. DEPP: That's the knife in full view. That's the full side of that knife.

MR. DEPP: I don't recall exactly the occasion, whether it was my birthday of 2015 or if it was a Christmas gift.

MR. DEPP: There were some scratches, another altercation, and there was some - Ms. Heard had come at me with her nails, her hand, scratching at me.

MR. DEPP: Once again, I believe this was Mr. Bett, Sean Bett.

MR. DEPP: Seems to be Christmas, or ten days before Christmas, the 15th of December 2015.

MR. DEPP: This was, yet again, another confrontation where - as was my regular practice, there had been an altercation. She had some rage issue with me, and I remember that I was trying to go to my corner, as it were, which is I was going into my office in the - in penthouse 3, which was upstairs. And as I was approaching the door to my office, Ms. Heard ran out of the master bedroom, our bedroom, and started just throwing wild punches at me, at the back of my head, and at the side of my head, at my- anything that she could connect with. And I had to - I would have to show you sort of the - how I tried to avoid the attack -

MR. DEPP: If it's all right, Your Honor.

MR. DEPP: If I'm looking this way to the door of my office and the bedroom door is where you are, I walked across the mezzanine there, and as I'm approaching the door, suddenly I'm just getting clobbered from behind. And one's natural primal instinct is to kind of duck and cover. So I ducked and covered, but they didn't stop.

MR. DEPP: So I came up just like this (indicating), sort of protecting my face, but at the same time, with her arms swinging wildly, I put my arms out, and I was able to get her into a, like, a - what do you - a bear hug or something, just to stop her from hitting me anymore.

MR. DEPP: And while holding her in that position, she was still trying to, you know, she had her legs; she could kick, you know, she could knee me. So she was still trying to, you know, kind of - very angry, very animated. And - yeah. It was unpleasant.

MR. DEPP: Because of the grabbing of the arms and the holding them to her side so I didn't receive any more blows - and she was still fighting - I believe there was some kind of contact with our - our heads, our foreheads, as would happen if you're trying to calm someone like that. And then that was when she accused me of headbutting her, of giving her a headbutt and breaking her nose, but there was no blood. There was no - I didn't hit her nose. If there was anything at all, it was a - it was a bump of - well, I'm trying to restrain her; she's trying to get out of it.

MR. DEPP: There's going to be some contact here and there, accidental contact, but not a headbutt.

MR. DEPP: After she made the remark about the fact that I'd headbutted her, which was just impossible, she split. She huffed off. I let her go. She huffed away and she was gone for about seven or eight minutes. And then when she came back, I was in -- then I was in the bedroom of penthouse 3, our bedroom, and she came back about seven or eight minutes later, and she had a Kleenex, or a tissue, to her nose, and then she pulled it away from her nose and she showed it to me, and there was red. There was, indeed, like, red color on the tissue. But me, I know there was no connection to her nose. No part of my body made connection to her nose or eyes or anything like. So she said -- she took it away and she showed it to me. She said, "Way to go, Johnny.

MR. DEPP: You broke my nose. You broke my nose."

MR. DEPP: And I knew I hadn't, so I said -- and you go in sort of placation mode, which is "Oh, my God. Let me see. Are you okay? What happened? Let me see." And she wouldn't let me see anything. And so I just tried to calm the situation as best I could, all the while I was waiting for her to dispense with that Kleenex because I didn't trust it. And so I waited and went - she dropped it into the wastebasket in her bathroom, or in our bathroom, and left the room, went somewhere, downstairs I think; I don't know. And then I pulled the Kleenex out of the trash bin, and I inspected it pretty closely and realized that it was nail polish; it was nail varnish or polish.

MR. DEPP: It was - it had been planned for a while that we would be going to the island and we would be going to the island with my- my kids, Lily-Rose and Jack and Lily-Rose's boyfriend at the time. And there's a friend of Amber's called Alice Temperley, I believe her name was - is, and her boyfriend, Greg Williams, who's a very well-known photographer, both very nice people, and their kids were going to - she told me they were going to be coming to the island. And I thought okay, great. And, so, yeah, that's - so that's where we went for the holidays.

MR. DEPP: Many things.

MR. DEPP: Oh, yes. There were a couple of incidents that were, again, just each time one of these incidents would occur, it seemed to get worse and worse; that is to say, as opposed to fists or anything like that. I'd set up - on the back porch of the house, I'd set up an area with an easel and oil paints and a can of mineral spirits, linseed oil, brushes, everything so if she wanted to paint. So I had set it up for her.

MR. DEPP: And, again, I remember sitting at the table where most of the paintbrushes and the can and all that stuff was, and an argument, again, escalated, escalated, escalated, and she reached down and grabbed the can of mineral spirits and chucked it at my face. She threw it at my face, and it struck me right at the bridge of the nose, sort of the forehead/bridge of the nose area, and it hurt.

MR. DEPP: Well, thankfully my children and Lily-Rose's boyfriend were over towards the cafe. At that point, I didn't know that anyone else had -- was around or had witnessed anything. I thought it was just Amber and I, but apparently that there are four staff who work on the island --

MR. DEPP: Okay.

MR. DEPP: Yeah. So there are, indeed, four staff who work on the island and live there all year round who take care of everything, and two of them happened to be in that area and witnessed the violence.

MR. DEPP: These people, they're staff on the island, though I consider them family and very dear to me. And I believe it is mutual. I have known them a very long time. They were visibly - they were visibly shaken by what they'd witnessed.

MR. DEPP: Once Ms. Heard had stormed off, I sort is of sat there dazed and confused for a few minutes, and then I walked around the house and I saw Tara I and --

MR. DEPP: Tara's the manager of the island.