Kristina Sexton — Direct/Cross/Redirect
243 linesTHE COURT: All right.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Yes, Your Honor, we have another video.
THE COURT: Okay. If you could approach for a moment, let me just --
MS. BREDEHOFT: Certainly.
THE COURT: All right. How much time? I I'm sorry, I have jurors falling asleep, so I had Hulisa go over there and nudge him. So I just I want to make sure.
MS. BREDEHOFT: The next one is I 16 40 minutes.
THE COURT: I'm giving them time to stretch, too, so we can sit up here and talk. That's what they're doing right now, so we'll just stay here a few moments to chat.
MS. BREDEHOFT: So the next one, 40 minutes and 14 seconds.
THE COURT: Perfect. We can get them done today. Perfect. Depositions, I haven't got the time for some depositions from you.
MS. BREDEHOFT: I talked to Sammy
THE COURT: Right, right.
MS. BREDEHOFT: And I told him I would check with them
THE COURT: Well, I still don't have some from the last -- a couple weeks ago.
MS. BREDEHOFT: I though we got those to Sammy.
THE COURT: Make sure. I'm going back, looking at the times, I'm missing all the officers, one from that day. They're short ones, but I think I'm missing it. So if I can get them tonight because I want to give you an accurate time for tomorrow, but I can add those into the times, okay?
MS. BREDEHOFT: Okay.
THE COURT: But we're a little ahead of schedule, so I might be able to give you a couple extra hours, but if I know, tonight, what they are, I can tell you tomorrow what you have left. At the end of the day tomorrow, I can tell you what you have left.
MS. BREDEHOFT: I though we had -- I'm pretty sure we have them So, we will figure it out.
THE COURT: Sammy just doesn't have it.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Okay. We will go back.
THE COURT: We went back, checked through his emails and everything, so we'll get that. And you're going to give me jury-- jury agreements and for tomorrow, the jury instructions, the agreements and the objections tomorrow morning.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Yes.
THE COURT: Do you think that's enough time for them? Do you have anything else going on? How's everybody doing? Do you think they got enough time to stretch? That's good?
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Thank you, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Uh-huh.
THE COURT: All right. Your next witness.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Your Honor, we're going IO to call Kristi Sexton. And this is by video deposition as well
THE COURT: All right.
MS. BREDEHOFT: That'll be the last one for the day, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. Thank you.
THE COURT: KRISTINA SEXTON, being first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
MS. KAPLAN: Ms. Sexton, why don't you state your whole name for the record and your current address.
KRISTINA SEXTON: Kristina Lissette Sexton. Queensland, Australia.
MS. KAPLAN: For how long, Ms. Sexton, have you lived in Australia?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I've been at that address since July 2017. There was a transitionary period.
KRISTINA SEXTON: I met my husband in December of 2015, so, and '17, decisions on which country we were going to move to and such, so I did not establish residency here until July, and then began all my paperwork subsequently when we were married in October of 2017.
MS. KAPLAN: So I take it from your last answer, Ms. Sexton, that Australia was the lucky winner of which country you and your husband would choose to live in, correct?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. Yes, indeed.
MS. KAPLAN: And do you currently have a job? Do you currently work right now in Australia?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. I'm an acting coach.
MS. KAPLAN: When was it, to the best of your recollection, that she took a class that you were a TA in?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I believe it was sometime in 2009.
MS. KAPLAN: For how long did you remain Amber Beard's primary or exclusive acting coach?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I don't know about exclusive, we don't have any sort of exclusivity contract. She may work with other coaches.
KRISTINA SEXTON: The last time we worked on a project together would be Aquaman, so 2017.
KRISTINA SEXTON: I don't know about exclusive. We don't have any sort of exclusivity contracts. She may work with other coaches. The last time we worked on project together would be Aquaman, so 2017.
MS. KAPLAN: Okay. So the first movie -- or the first TV series, I should say, that you recall working as an acting coach with Amber was The Playboy Club?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes.
MS. KAPLAN: And that was in 2011?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes.
MS. KAPLAN: I take it from what you just described, that although the frequency varied, it is fair to say, is it not, that you saw Ms. Heard many, many, many times during the period between 2010 and 2017?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Oh, yes.
MS. KAPLAN: Would it be fair to say that you saw Ms. Heard during this seven-year period more than a hundred times?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Easily, yes.
MS. KAPLAN: And when you say "easily," do you think it's also fair to say that you saw her more than 200 times?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Absolutely, yes.
MS. KAPLAN: I'm going to go up another hundred. Same answer for 300 times?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah. As I said, when I would see her, it would be multiple times a week in preparation for a project.
MS. KAPLAN: When's the last time that you had a session with Amber Heard as her primary acting coach?
KRISTINA SEXTON: May 2017.
MS. KAPLAN: During that period when she was on Orange Avenue, how would you describe, excuse me, Amber Heard as an actor?
KRISTINA SEXTON: She was really focused on moving to the next level of her career and really stretching herself as an actor, which is why she started coaching so much at that time and then, initially, even went to classes. So, she was really driven to do a lot of work and kind of mine out everything that we could from the text and go over things a lot. So she was very driven, as an actor, to, I would say, get to the next phase of her career.
MS. KAPLAN: Will looking at Sexton 1 refresh your recollection as to when that took place? That's the IMDb page.
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. It was either 2011 or 2012. It's saying that it came out in 2011, then the premiere would have been in 2011, so, yeah.
MS. KAPLAN: When was the next time you recall seeing Johnny or Mr. Depp?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I would say sometime in the middle of the following year.
MS. KAPLAN: So sometime in the middle of 2012, you think?
MS. KAPLAN: Yes.
MS. KAPLAN: And where was that?
KRISTINA SEXTON: At her house on Orange. I remember him - seeing him quite a bit. In the early period -
MS. KAPLAN: Again I'm focused on the early period. Did you have occasion to run into Mr. Depp at your coaching sessions with Amber later when she was at the Sweetzer Avenue and then at the penthouse that's in Los Angeles?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. I did see them often at both Sweetzer and the downtown house.
MS. KAPLAN: And over that period of time did you observe changes in Mr. Depp's behavior?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah. Johnny became, I would say, much darker, as time went on. He - he was, like, figuratively and literally he would sit in dark rooms. The art, overall, changed, like, everything got much darker in the houses, like, heavy -- it was always a little, I don't know what the art form would be, dark. But it just like literally lighting would go down and big curtains would be everywhere, and he became much less talkative as time went on. We would see less and less of him personally. I would hear him in the house, but I would see less and less of him, interaction-wise. And when I did, he wasn't very happy.
MS. KAPLAN: What would you hear him say on those occasions where you said he wasn't happy?
KRISTINA SEXTON: At different points in time I heard different things. Sometimes it would just be him milling around the house; sometimes it would be him having conversations with his team, bodyguards and stuff, or his friends that were over making music at the Sweetzer location. Sometimes it was him and Amber fighting, like, I was in his home, so I heard him quite a bit.
MS. KAPLAN: You said a couple of answers ago that sometimes at times you would hear Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard fighting.
MS. KAPLAN: Can you -- again, keeping in mind that it's a long time ago, can you describe what you heard?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I would say - I would just hear a lot of him yelling. His voice would carry through kind of the halls of the house. And then, like, I - I remember one time specific that I remember Amber was trying to get out of the room, and then the door shut again and then I could just hear muffled yelling on his part.
MS. KAPLAN: At the beginning of their relationship, once Ms. Heard had revealed to you that they were, in fact, in a relationship, did she talk to you about Mr. Depp's struggle with drugs and alcohol?
KRISTINA SEXTON: In the early part of their relationship, she had said that he was sober. She was trying to support him in his sobriety. And then, subsequently, throughout the relationship, she would talk about his breaks in sobriety.
MS. KAPLAN: Based on your work as Ms. Beard's acting coach, primary acting coach, was it your understanding that Mr. Depp had opinions about what role Ms. Heard should take?
KRISTINA SEXTON: There were a couple of occasions where I actually heard Johnny say, "Why would you want to do that kind of role? My woman isn't going to play that kind of role," stuff like that I heard a is few times from him over the course of time.
MS. KAPLAN: Other than saying -- heating Mr. Depp I say he didn't want his woman playing a role -- playing a whore, excuse me, did you hear him using any other language like that, about the kind of roles that Ms. Heard was being offered?
MS. KAPLAN: To focus you in, Ms. Sexton, I'm talking about the period when Amber and Johnny were at the beginning of their relationship until you stopped being her acting coach in 2017, and I'm focusing in on what you recall hearing from Mr. Depp about what roles he thought Ms. Heard should play.
KRISTINA SEXTON: As I said, he would be sitting - initially, when she moved in the Orange location, sometimes he would be nearby, it was a fairly small house, and he would be nearby in kind of earshot, so there were times that he was kind of just disparaging, "That's a shitty role. Why would you do that," that kind of thing. But he wasn't super negative then.
KRISTINA SEXTON: Later on, as it went on, he was very vocal about the negative terms. Like I said, he called it a whore part or a trash part or a piece of shit, all sorts of things like that, generally, pretty negative when if it was something he didn't want her to do.
MS. KAPLAN: Did the amount of roles that Ms. Heard auditioned for change during the time that she was involved with Mr. Depp?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes, it did. It was decreasing as it went, and there would be stretches of time where she wasn't auditioning at all or working on anything at all.
MS. KAPLAN: During the time that Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard were together, did you observe changes in their relationship over time?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah. Early on, they were incredibly lovey-dovey and passionate and always together in a positive way. They were very playful and friendly.
KRISTINA SEXTON: And then I would see less and less of them together, and I would hear a lot of muffled arguments through walls. And when I did see him, sometimes the balance would shift. It went from being, like, a normal couple to very tension filled, especially those last few months that they were together. And - yeah.
MS. KAPLAN: Was there a --withdrawn.
MS. KAPLAN: Did the number of times that Ms. Heard was late for or canceled sessions with you change as her relationship with Mr. Depp went on in time?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah. As I said earlier, Amber was never late when we worked at the studio. And then, as it went on, I began having to actually build in a cushion of an hour around her appointment.
KRISTINA SEXTON: It started out just an extra 15 minutes here and there, because she'd be late coming downstairs, or they'd be discussing, or he had to talk to her at that moment in time. And eventually, as the relationship progressed and the fighting got heavier, I would have to build in time because she'd be sobbing at the beginning of the session and we couldn't work until we got her together.
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah, I ended up having to do a lot of cushion time around her just so that we could actually get something accomplished because she was often very upset.
MS. KAPLAN: Did you have occasion to observe Ms. Heard crying naturally, not acting, when you had coaching sessions with her during the time that she was together romantically with Mr. Depp?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I would say the last year they were together, probably 80, 90 percent of our sessions began with her crying. And that would be increasing as it went on. Ironically she has a little difficulty crying acting-wise, so - which a lot of us do. And so, yeah, we would have to work when we were doing it acting-wise, but it was I a lot towards the end there, a lot of crying sessions.
MS. KAPLAN: Based on your testimony here, Ms. Sexton, is the acting -- is the crying that she did in a role different than the crying you observed so often in the last year of her relationship Mr. Depp?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. Inherently, acting crying is very different, unless somebody is working in what's called "method," in which that's an entirely different thing where they focus on their own stuff.
KRISTINA SEXTON: So she's not a method actor so it would be completely different.
MS. KAPLAN: Speaking for your own self, Ms. Sexton, how did you react when you saw Amber at these sessions crying the way you described it?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I have a caretaker personality, so I would prioritize taking care of the person in front of me over doing work, which is why I ended up building in all that extra time because I cared about her as a human and I wanted to be there for her, and as much as I could as a friend. So there's no point on working on something if someone isn't fully there or if they're upset. It's more important to deal with the person, take care of them, than work.
MS. KAPLAN: And during those sections, particularly in the last year, when you saw the decline so often, what was your understanding of the reason for her tears?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I would hear them fighting and hear her come in, and she would be a wreck after she came in. I couldn't make out what they were saying and I, personally, wasn't trying to listen to their fights. So I would just hear the sounds of the screaming in her - usually she thinks - she would open the door and try to get him to be quiet, and then it would go back to him yelling. So that would directly occur before she would come down upset and trying to pull herself together.
MS. KAPLAN: What do you recall her saying they were fighting about?
KRISTINA SEXTON: He didn't want her going out without any sort of security or any team. He didn't want her going and doing things just on her own.
MS. KAPLAN: You described earlier in your testimony, Ms. Sexton, what Amber Heard was like when you first met her.
MS. KAPLAN: During this period, when she was involved with Mr. Depp, and particularly toward the end of their relationship, did her behavior change?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Over the course of time, she became more and more of a hermit, only leaving the house when she had to. Again, and as I said earlier, literally, the house -- houses became darker with the curtains drawn all the time.
KRISTINA SEXTON: I remember one time in particular when she was living at the Eastern Columbia, that we went downstairs to get a slice of pizza, I think there were four of us, and Amber gave a homeless kid down there some money and we helped him get to the bus stop. And we came back up and Johnny yelled at her about going out and that she knew better than to be going out at night, and that kind of thing. And when we tried to kind of, you know, it's fine. We got pizza downstairs at the building across the street Then he just started screaming and getting really angry.
KRISTINA SEXTON: So we - I made my way out
MS. KAPLAN: What about her weight? Did you notice any changes, during that period, in her weight. Just to be clear, Ms. Sexton, I'm asking about the time when she was involved with Mr. Depp?
KRISTINA SEXTON: So, Amber is one of those people that loses weight when she's stressed out. So she would drop weight and look skeletal at certain points this time.
KRISTINA SEXTON: I remember right before their wedding she had lost a significant amount of weight to the point that I was asking her if she was eating regularly.
KRISTINA SEXTON: So, she's always been fit, but she would drop down and get a little gaunt if she's super stressed out.
MS. KAPLAN: And in that last year that she was involved with Mr. Depp, did you notice changes in her weight?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. She lost a significant amount of weight, and I noticed it, specifically, because I had been in Australia doing a film. And then when I came back - so I had been in Australia since December, I came back in February, and she looked - she was skin and bones. Like, she was much thinner than she normally was at that point. So I know during that time period that she had lost a lot of weight and she was very gaunt.
MS. KAPLAN: Now, I'm going to, shortly, move on to what I refer to as the fall. And the first question I have in that regard is during the time that you were Amber Heard's acting coach and she was involved with Mr. Depp, did you observe injuries on Ms. Heard?
KRISTINA SEXTON: When she came back from Australia, there were a lot of, like, little red marks on her arms that looked like freshly healing things - I g g I skin, like red marks on her skin, on her arms, that I saw. And then, subsequently, I would see, like, bruises that looked like arms being grabbed or her wrists, and then I saw that all towards the Is end.
MS. KAPLAN: Did there come a time when you accompanied Amber Heard and Johnny Depp to Is Hicksville, California?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. I went to Hicksville for Johnny's ho birthday celebration with them.
MS. KAPLAN: And, in your own words, can you tell me about that trip and what happened, chronologically?
KRISTINA SEXTON: We arrived at Hicksville and we had made kind of like a barbecue and drinks, and then we were having a lovely time. Johnny was playing the guitar and singing. And then, as the night went on, it was like around sundown, they started passing around a bag of mushrooms and a bag of white powder. I didn't even partake in the alcohol because I had had surgery a few months before, so I was the only one stone-cold sober.
KRISTINA SEXTON: I -- then I went to bed earlier. And while my friend and I were in our trailer, we heard the fighting happening, Johnny screaming, and a commotion. We didn't come out of our trailer. And then, the quieting down and everyone would be like, oh, it's okay. The bodyguards, I heard them running over there.
KRISTINA SEXTON: And then, next morning, when we got up, the group was talking about what had happened that night. And then I kind of left that conversation and went to the trailer to check on Amber, and I saw the completely tom apart trailer. Johnny was apologizing for what he had done and he was instructing his bodyguards to just pay it off. Let's just take care of it. And I stayed with Amber. She was really shaken up.
MS. KAPLAN: The next day, can you describe for me what the trailer where Amber and Johnny were staying looked like?
KRISTINA SEXTON: The inside was in shambles. I remember seeing a light hanging off the wall. There was g g g g broken stuff everywhere, dishes, it looked like - not dishes. Like the wood was broken. Things were hanging off the wall. It was in shambles on the inside.
MS. KAPLAN: And that next day, I think you said that you had occasion to see Mr. Depp; is that correct?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes.
MS. KAPLAN: How did he look that next day when you saw the trailer?
KRISTINA SEXTON: He looked very worried. He was apologizing. He was saying he would take care of it. He was trying - he was, like, "Don't worry about it, Babe, we're going to get this taken care of."
KRISTINA SEXTON: And Amber was really, like, closed off and quiet and he just kept trying to apologize to her over and over again, and then telling his bodyguards to just take care of it, just get it done, whatever it is, just pay for it. And then he went off to go have that conversation with them.
MS. KAPLAN: What was Mr. Depp saying that next day •2 when he was apologizing?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I just remember him saying, "I'm so sorry, Babe. I'll care of it I know that this is bad, but I can take care of it I'm sorry I did that." That kind of thing.
MS. KAPLAN: I think you testified before, but I s want to be sure the record is clear, that you recall Mr. Depp using the word "monster"?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I heard him, at different times, making apologies that he said, "I'm sorry I turned into a monster." I just remember a profuse amount of apologies. I don't know if that time, in particular, had that verbiage.
MS. KAPLAN: Anything else about Hicksville that you remember that you haven't told me about?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I mean, the only thing I stated is that I did see him eat the mushrooms. I saw him holding the white bag. I don't know what he did with that, the bag of white powder. Everyone except for me was drinking, and different people were partaking in different p p p g drugs at that time, so I didn't keep track of that.
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah, I don't know anything else that I can recall.
MS. KAPLAN: I want to go forward to another incident, and that's the day of April 21, 2016, which I'll represent to you was Amber Heard's 30th birthday.
MS. KAPLAN: Did you have occasion to see Amber Heard that day?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. I attended the party.
MS. KAPLAN: And, again, you say you attended the party. Can you describe the party you attended? Who was there?
KRISTINA SEXTON: The party was happening in one of the penthouses, the one that they didn't live in. I It's where they did most of their art and we did most of our coaching. And I don't remember the number of that one. And there were several friends of Amber's there, and we spent the first couple hours waiting for Johnny. And then, eventually, Amber said, let's stop waiting for him, let's just start. So we went out to the balcony to start dinner. And that's when Johnny finally came out and he was severely inebriated when he came down. And they -- Brandon, and I don't remember his last name, it starts with an M, escorted him, kind of helped him stay stable, and we went to the table and we started dinner. And Johnny -- I was sitting two seats away from Johnny. Johnny and Amber clearly were very tense and had been -- I don't know what they had been doing but they were very tense. He would try to kind of touch her and she would shy away.
KRISTINA SEXTON: And then Rocky was trying to change the tone of the party because it had really gotten very somber at that point. And she asked everyone to kind of say their favorite story about Amber. And as we went around the table, everyone shared their stories. When we got to Johnny, he started talking about that he remembered when he first met her the imprint of Amber's ass on his couch, were his words. And it just all kind of took a tum from there. She was clearly embarrassed. She asked y him to stop and he kept telling the story. And it just - it got really awkward and uncomfortable at that point, and never really recovered any sort of jovial energy. We ate and then I left shortly thereafter.
MS. KAPLAN: I forgot to ask you a question about Hicksville. The day after when you saw Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard in the wrecked trailer, did Ms. Heard seem embarrassed?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah. As I said, Amber was very closed off. She was very quiet. She had said, "Don't come in. I don't want you to see this." So, yeah, she seemed very embarrassed.
MS. KAPLAN: Now, shifting forward to Amber's 30th birthday party. I think you testified that Mr. Depp seemed inebriated when he arrived.
MS. KAPLAN: What's your basis for saying that?
KRISTINA SEXTON: He was slurring his words and wobbly on his feet. He ran into a couple things, which is when Brandon came over and kind of locked arms with him to kind of help him stand up.
MS. KAPLAN: You said you saw her later with a healing bruise. Where do you recall seeing that healing bruise?
KRISTINA SEXTON: On her cheek. It was on her right cheek, I think. I think it was right. Yeah.
MS. KAPLAN: Do you know how long after the incident that you just discussed with the cell phone you saw Ms. Heard and her face?
KRISTINA SEXTON: It was a few days later, but I don't - I couldn't tell you exactly when. I mean, everyone heals at a different rate. I could still see kind of the yellow and stuff in there, so ...
MS. VASQUEZ: When was the last time you spoke to I. Amber? Was it August of this year?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Uh-huh.
MS. VASQUEZ: When was the last time you spoke to her specifically, if you remember?
KRISTINA SEXTON: We went over to have - I went over - it was sometime in August. I can narrow it down to August, to have wine, have wine, catch up - because, like I said, I think it had been two years since we had physically seen each other.
MS. VASQUEZ: In both times when you met Ms. Heard in August of this year, did you meet with her at her Is house?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes.
MS. VASQUEZ: Did Ms. Heard mention any of the j s allegations that Mr. Depp is making against her in relation to this case when you met with her?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Only to say to talk to the attorneys about it.
MS. VASQUEZ: When you say only talk to the attorneys I about, what, specifically, did Ms. Heard tell you?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Like, she said, would you be willing to sit down and talk to my attorneys about everything that you witnessed? And then afterwards, I - after I kind of talked about it all, it felt really intense to me and I felt incredibly guilty.
MS. VASQUEZ: Was it during one of these two times that you met with Ms. Heard in August of this year that Ms. Heard told you, for the first time, that Mr. Depp had allegedly raped her with a bottle in Australia?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. She did talk about the bottle then, yes.
MS. VASQUEZ: Was it the first meeting that you had with Ms. Heard in August of this year that she mentioned that?
KRISTINA SEXTON: No, it was -- it was after -- like, I had come to see her and had a wine night and catch up. And then after I had talked to the attorneys, after we had a good cry, she -- we were talking more about what had happened. And she was saying how she didn't even tell me everything. Yeah, that's when it came out.
MS. VASQUEZ: And just to confirm, Ms. Sexton, Ms. Heard told you about the bottle incident in Australia where she claims Mr. Depp penetrated her with it before your deposition, your first deposition in this case, in August of 2019?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes. It was after I had talked to the attorneys.
MS. VASQUEZ: After you had spoken to the attorneys informally, correct, at her house?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes.
MS. VASQUEZ: But it was before you were formally deposed in this case on, I believe it was August 30th, 2019?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes.
MS. VASQUEZ: Just to confirm and make the record really clear, this is the first time Ms. Heard had told you that Mr. Depp had allegedly penetrated her with a bottle in Australia, correct?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah. She had told me about the assaults with the bottle, being hit with the bottle and the broken glass, and everything. And then, she had told me about all that many times before. And then this time she started crying and sobbing and started telling me about the assault, the penetrating assault.
MS. VASQUEZ: And when Ms. Heard told you about this alleged rape that occurred, did she know that you were going to be deposed by her attorneys?
KRISTINA SEXTON: No. Because they were all in the other room. They didn't even tell me that they were - like, they were like, "We may have you for a deposition." And that's when I had said to them, "If you're going to do that, I would appreciate it if you did it before I left the states." And they said, "We may or may not need you." It was a couple days later that they '1:6 sent me the contact and said, "We are going to subpoena you."
MS. VASQUEZ: And since you've known Ms. Heard, can you tell me how many times you've spent, maybe a ho significant amount of time with Mr. Depp?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I would say probably around, like, 10 or 20 times.
MS. VASQUEZ: And of those 10 or 20 times that you saw Mr. Depp and spent, maybe, more significant time than him just passing through a room, how many times would you say he was -- or appeared to be sober?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Not many. He was coming down to have a conversation, he was pouring off some whiskey or rolling a joint or having wine. It always seemed to me that he was not a social person, if you will, and he would have a drink or smoke in order, to go talk to people is what it felt like. So most of the time I saw him, it was that.
MS. VASQUEZ: You would agree with me, though, Ms. Sexton, that someone getting a drink is different than someone appearing drunk, correct? For example, if it was his first drink of the day. So my question's a little more specific. Of the 10 or 20 times that you saw Mr. Depp, how many times did he appear inebriated, not, you know, holding a glass of whiskey or smoking a joint, but how many times did he appear inebriated to you?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I would say at least half, if not more.
MS. VASQUEZ: How would you describe Mr. Depp's personality when he would appear sober versus when he was inebriated?
KRISTINA SEXTON: He was very quiet when he was sober. Before he started drinking, he was very quiet. Almost a whisper, mumble, most of the time.
KRISTINA SEXTON: And then, he would get very loud when he was inebriated. He would go to, like, boisterous first and telling, like, cool stories and stuff, that kind of happy drunk. And then it would move into the loud, angry drunk.
MS. VASQUEZ: When you say loud and angry drunk, did you witness Mr. Depp being angry when he was drunk?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Couple of times, yeah.
MS. VASQUEZ: When was the first time you witnessed Mr. Depp appear to be angry and inebriated?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I couldn't tell you the first time, per se. Like, I have images in my head. I remember him, like, yelling and screaming and the bodyguard coming over saying, "Hey, boss, let's take this to another room."
MS. VASQUEZ: Tell me as much as you can remember of that event.
KRISTINA SEXTON: I remember being in the kitchen of that house, and he came down and he was yelling about something. Amber and I were having a conversation and we were going to -- I think we were going to work on something that day. It was later in the evening where it was really dark in there. Like I said, sometimes they drew all of the curtains. In my memory it's very dark and he was yelling and that older guy came and, like, scooped his arm around him and said, "All right, boss, let's take this to another place." Because he was inebriated, I could tell from the way he was talking and he was just kind of yelling. I don't recall what was happening. It all kind of happened very quickly. I don't remember what he was yelling about or if it was even at anybody. He was just kind of down there and drunk and he just scooped him up.
MS. VASQUEZ: Can you answer my question, which was who was he yelling at or who was he yelling about. So you don't recall; is that correct?
KRISTINA SEXTON: No, I don't.
MS. VASQUEZ: You said the other incidents that you remember of Mr. Depp appearing inebriated and being he was at one of the penthouses in downtown LA; is that correct.
KRISTINA SEXTON: Uh-huh.
MS. VASQUEZ: What were the circumstances that you remember about that incident?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I remember one time he was mad that people were in the house because I had just gotten there. I don't even remember, there might have been, like, two people there or something, I don't remember. But, yeah, he was storming up those stairs to his office/bedroom area. And then Amber and I went to the other penthouse to work.
MS. VASQUEZ: In either incident, the ones at Sweetzer and at the penthouse, when you saw Mr. Depp and he appeared inebriated or angry and yelling, did you see him hit Ms. Heard at any point?
KRISTINA SEXTON: No, I did not see him hit her.
MS. VASQUEZ: Did you see him kick Ms. Heard?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I did not see him kick her.
MS. VASQUEZ: Did you see him throw something at Ms. Heard?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I saw him coming at her, and that's when the bodyguard stepped in, like, coming towards her. But I did not - so throwing himself at, like, but I was not witness to him throwing objects at her.
MS. VASQUEZ: When you say he was coming at her, are you describing the incident at Sweetzer or at the penthouse?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Sweetzer. He came in through that hallway and we were sitting in, it was kind of like an island there, like, right in the front of the fridge. I was in front of the fridge and he came in from there and was coming at her and the guy, the bodyguard, came in and scooped him up.
MS. VASQUEZ: So is the answer you don't remember what Mr. Depp was yelling about or why?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yes.
MS. VASQUEZ: So it appeared to you that Mr. Depp was coming at Ms. Heard?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah. She was shaking and upset. It felt like something that had been going on for a while.
MS. VASQUEZ: In all the time that you've known Ms. Heard and Mr. Depp, did you ever see Mr. Depp be violent towards Ms. Heard?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I never saw him hit her. I heard him I use terminology, as I said before, and as I said, come at her. But I never saw him hit her. If I had, I would have called the cops, to be honest.
MS. VASQUEZ: You never saw Mr. Depp throw anything at her, any objects at her, correct?
KRISTINA SEXTON: No. The only thing I saw was the aftermath. Like, I would see things broken afterwards. And, like I said, in Hicksville, I heard the yelling and then saw the breaking and saw him apologizing for it. But I, with my own two eyes, did not see him physically breaking the stuff or throwing stuff.
MS. VASQUEZ: When Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard went to Australia, did she tell you that she threw a bottle of vodka at him and that that's what severed him finger?
KRISTINA SEXTON: No. She had told me that he had broken a bottle and then cut himself with the bottle that he had broken.
MS. VASQUEZ: When she told you that he had cut himself with a bottle he had broken, did she say that he had taken the bottle and cut off his finger or that it was an accident and that his finger was severed from the broken bottle?
MS. VASQUEZ: Do you understand the distinction?
KRISTINA SEXTON: Yeah. She didn't say that he - she didn't indicate that he cut off, like went purposefully to cut it. It would seem to me that he had broken the bottle against something and then he was doing things with the bottle, like shaking it around, and that he had cut himself from that. It didn't indicate that he had, in any way, purposely cut himself.
MS. KAPLAN: Do you recall Johnny ever saying something to you in a conversation later about his ability to pass the insurance test?
KRISTINA SEXTON: I remember a specific time when Amber still lived at Orange, and Amber was out with her girlfriends, and I had come over too early for the party so it was just Johnny and I sitting there having some whiskey and he was smoking a cigar. And he was talking about that it was -- I said something about -- he said he had to get up early to do a test. I was like, oh, don't you have any sort of, like, concern about that. He said it's easy to fake insurance tests; that's why we do what we do. I was talking to him because another client of mine who had to do an insurance test, he was, like, no, fake your piss test. You can do this. And he just kind of went over a few different ways that it's easy to fake insurance tests and made a joke of it.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we've come to the end of the day today, so have a good evening and we'll see you tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. Again, do not discuss the case with anybody and don't do any outside research, okay? Have a good evening.
THE COURT: All right. Do you have any remote witnesses tomorrow that you need access for? Do you need Webex?
MS. BREDEHOFT: No. We only have deposition designations and live witnesses.
THE COURT: Depositions and live witness. Okay. That sounds good. Everybody knows their homework, right?
THE COURT: All right. Thank you. We'll see you in the morning.
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