Gina Deuters — Direct
441 linesTHE COURT: All right. Thank you.
THE COURT: All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll go ahead and take our lunch for the afternoon now. No outside research. Do not talk to anybody, and we'll give you till 2: 15 okay? So you can be excused with Deputy Hal us a now. Thank you.
THE COURT: All right. For this afternoon, do you need this TV any more for this afternoon?
THE COURT: For tile first witness.
THE COURT: ATTORNEY 1: The last witness.
THE COURT: So we can put it down during lunch?
THE COURT: Okay. We'll be back at 2: 15. Thank you.
COURT BAILIFF: All rise.
THE COURT: All right. Before jury comes out, I just want to make sure on Defendant's 397. The one we have in the binder. looks different from tile one you had on the screen. So, I'm not sure. The one on the screen looked much more redacted, but maybe tins is redacted.
MR. NADELHAFT: I think the only things that were redacted was the phone numbers.
THE COURT: So the emails are all right? Everything.
MR. NADELHAFT: Fine with us. I think it was -- we can go back and redact.
THE COURT: I just want to make sure because seemed like the one on the screen had a little more redaction than the one I'm seeing here.
MR. NADELHAFT: I think it did.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Your Honor, I think it was just the identifiers.
THE COURT: There are identifiers on here, emails. There's no cell phones on here. Those have been redacted.
MR. NADELHAFT: I didn't think the emails were redacted. I thought they were the same.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. NADELHAFT: I'll do whatever the Court--
THE COURT: I don't care. I just want to make sure everybody agrees that the one that I O have is the one that's in evidence.
MS. LECAROZ: I think, Your Honor, the one that was on the screen did, in fact, redact the email addresses also, which is not the one you had. We can replace it.
MR. NADELHAFT: Did you redact it?
MS. LECAROZ: We didn't. David Murphy redacted it.
MR. NADELHAFT: I apologize, Your Honor. So we'll provide the redactions.
THE COURT: Is there any chance, in the future, you guys can maybe talk ahead of time and get these redacted ahead of time or something, possibly?
MR. NADELHAFT: We're trying, Your Honor.
MS. BREDEHOFT: I think we're figuring that out as we go, You Honor.
THE COURT: I still have three pending redaction now.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Right. And two of them, I think we're ready with.
THE COURT: Look at the smile on your face, Mr. Rottenborn. I see that.
MR. NADELHAFT: We're trying to make you happy.
THE COURT: I know. He wants to be the star of the day.
MS. BREDEHOFT: The third one, we just exchanged redactions, so we're going to redo them, hopefully, at the afternoon break.
THE COURT: Okay. So now I have 844, the redacted copy, correct? And I have 210, the redacted copy.
THE COURT: Okay. Perfect. All right. So that, then, just leaves me with 397, then, correct?
MS. BREDEHOFT: Well, and Plaintiff's 548.
THE COURT: 548 also. 548 and 397 now.
THE COURT: Okay . Perfect.
THE COURT: Anything else at this time?
MS. BREDEHOFT: I don't think so, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Good, okay.
THE COURT: Ready for the jury.
THE COURT: All right. Your next witness, Mr. Chew.
MR. MONIZ: We call Gina Deuters, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Say that again; I'm sorry.
MR. MONIZ: Gina Deuters.
THE COURT: Can you spell that last name for me.
MR. MONIZ: D-E-U-T-E-R-S.
THE COURT: Thank you.
THE COURT: GEORGINA DEUTERS
DR. ANDERSON: Witness called on behalf of the PLAINTIFF AND COUNTERCLAIM DEFENDANT, having been first duly sworn by the Clerk, testified as follows:
MR. MONIZ: And good afternoon, Ms. Deuters.
GINA DEUTERS: Hi.
MR. MONIZ: Would you please state your full name for the record
GINA DEUTERS: Yes, it's Georgina Diane Deuters, but I go by Gina.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. And, Ms. Deuters, where are you from?
GINA DEUTERS: London.
MR. MONIZ: And can you tell us a little bit about what your occupation is?
GINA DEUTERS: I currently am a freelance creator who kind of conceptualizes and shoots and edits photographs and clips, largely for social media.
MR. MONIZ: And how long have you been doing that?
GINA DEUTERS: Just a few years. Before that, I was a visual effects coordinator for movies.
MR. MONIZ: And can you tell us, just very briefly, what that means?
GINA DEUTERS: It's basically the managing of the CG and effects in films, the delivery of and, yeah, just the managing of that, yeah.
MR. MONIZ: And how long did you do that?
GINA DEUTERS: Oh, from 2002 to 2016.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Any films we might recognize?
GINA DEUTERS: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. The Dark Knight. A terrible Christmas movie that I won't mention. Pirates of the Caribbean 4, yeah.
MR. MONIZ: Do you know Johnny Depp?
GINA DEUTERS: I do.
MR. MONIZ: And how do you know Johnny Depp?
GINA DEUTERS: He is a good friend of mine.
MR. MONIZ: When did you first meet Mr. Depp?
GINA DEUTERS: I met him summer of 2005. It was actually at the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory premiere. My husband Stephen introduced me to him at a dinner after the premiere, and, yeah, he was super sweet and warm and kind of ushered us to join him at dinner. And I remember being very nervous, like I am now. Yeah, that's when we first met.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. You say your husband, Stephen, introduced you to Mr. Depp?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
MR. MONIZ: How did your husband know him?
GINA DEUTERS: I'm sorry?
MR. MONIZ: How did your husband, Stephen, know Mr. Depp?
GINA DEUTERS: Oh, he started working with him on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. He started off in production but then joined the Depp department during the shoot.
MR. MONIZ: And does he still work for Mr. Depp?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
MR. MONIZ: In what capacity?
GINA DEUTERS: Well, he started off as his, like, personal assistant, and it's kind of developed into producer/writer-type role with Johnny's guidance.
MR. MONIZ: So, for how long has he worked for Mr. Depp, then?
GINA DEUTERS: Years, I think. I think since 2004.
MR. MONIZ: Now, over those 18 years, where has he been working?
GINA DEUTERS: All over the place. It depends on where the film is being shot, so Bahamas, Hawaii, London, LA. Kind of all over.
MR. MONIZ: And where have you been during this time?
GINA DEUTERS: Well, Stephen and I, our first two films, we worked on the same film, but then he went off to do Pirates and I went off to do other films. So I wouldn't always be with them. I know that in between my projects, you know, Johnny was always mindful that me and Stephen didn't spend too much time apart, so he would usually be, you know, kind enough to fly me out to be with them, wherever they were.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. About how many times would that happen in a given year, if you can estimate for us?
GINA DEUTERS: Two to three. Yeah. I mean, there'd be, like, sometimes I'd be with them like a month, sometimes just a couple weeks.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. All right. Can you just, generally, describe for us, very briefly, your husband's relationship with Mr. Depp?
GINA DEUTERS: It's a great one. So, they are very close professionally and personally. I know that Stephen really respects Johnny, looks up to him, and Johnny's been a mentor to him and has really encouraged Stephen's career to develop. And they're great friends too.
MR. MONIZ: And can you just, very briefly and very generally, tell us what it was like on those time periods when you were spending time, chunks of time with Mr. Depp and your husband?
GINA DEUTERS: Well-
MR. NADELHAFT: Objection, Your Honor. Relevance. And character testimony 404. I'm not sure how this all relates.
MR. MONIZ: Basic foundational facts, Your Honor.
THE COURT: I'll allow it. Go ahead.
GINA DEUTERS: What was the question, sir?
MR. MONIZ: Just generally describe for us what --
GINA DEUTERS: So if they were working, it would be, you know, like on wrap, we're kept in it together, and then I'd kind of entertain myself while the boys went off to work.
GINA DEUTERS: If it was during downtime, it would probably be, like, a family holiday, so it would include his long-term partner, Vanessa, and their little kids, which was always really lovely. Really happy memories there. So it kind of depended.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. How well would you say you know Mr. Depp?
GINA DEUTERS: Very well.
MR. MONIZ: Over the course of your friendship with Mr. Depp, and I apologize, did you say it had been 17 years?
GINA DEUTERS: I'm not good at math, but 2005 to now, I think, is 17.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Over the course of your friendship with Mr. Depp, have you ever seen Mr. Depp take drugs?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes.
MR. MONIZ: And which ones?
GINA DEUTERS: I've seen him smoke weed and occasionally cocaine.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Have you ever seen him drink?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes.
MR. MONIZ: All right. Have you ever partaken in any of these substances at the same time?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. About how many times would you estimate you've seen Mr. Depp use cocaine?
GINA DEUTERS: Oh, gosh. I mean, it's usually, like, kind of a celebratory event, like after a gig or a party or something. Twenty. I don't know, twenty times over the - yeah.
MR. MONIZ: About 20 times?
GINA DEUTERS: About, yeah, yeah. I haven't been kind of keeping count, but it's not - it's not a regular thing. It's sporadic.
MR. MONIZ: And that's 20 times over what period of time?
GINA DEUTERS: Gosh, I think, like, the last, maybe, ten years.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. And how often have you seen Mr. Depp consume alcohol?
GINA DEUTERS: Since I've met him.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Can you describe for us how Mr. Depp seems to respond to cocaine?
GINA DEUTERS: I, quite honestly, can't gauge much difference in his demeanor. You know, this stuff kind of tends to make the average person a bit chattier and maybe stays up a bit longer than they should. But nothing out of the ordinary.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Same question for alcohol How would you say, based on your interactions with him while he's drinking, how does he seem to respond to it?
GINA DEUTERS: Kind of annoying, but he doesn't - he holds his liquor very well, so, gosh, kind of more jovial or just - I've never seen him - I've honestly never seen him like, drunk, drunk. Never been with him in that kind of situation.
MR. MONIZ: Does he seem to drink to excess, in your experience?
GINA DEUTERS: No.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Have you ever seen him get angry or violent while on cocaine?
GINA DEUTERS: No. Definitely not.
MR. MONIZ: Have you ever seen him get angry or violent while on alcohol?
GINA DEUTERS: No.
MR. MONIZ: Ms. Deuters, do you know Amber Laura Heard?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes.
MR. MONIZ: And when did you first meet Ms. Heard?.
GINA DEUTERS: When did I?
MR. MONIZ: Yes.
GINA DEUTERS: Oh. Well, we met, kind of very briefly, on the set of the Rum Diaries. You know, just kind of quick greeting in the props tent, I think. T DEPOS
MR. MONIZ: Just so everybody's on the same page, what is the Rum Diary?
GINA DEUTERS: The Rum Diary is a movie that we shot in 2009, in Puerto Rico, and, yeah, it starred Johnny and Amber, and I was there with Stephen. That was one of the times when I wasn't working, so I traveled out to be with Stephen and I was around - I did end up doing a little thing for the visual effects department, but mostly it was pleasure for me.
MR. MONIZ: Was there anything noteworthy about your interactions with Ms. Heard on that occasion?
GINA DEUTERS: No.
MR. MONIZ: When did you next meet Ms. Heard?
GINA DEUTERS: When - I think a couple years later, The Rum Diary press tour, I went to the premiere in London. And, again, it was just a kind of, you know, greeting. It wasn't - we didn't kind of hang out, chat, party, or anything.
MR. MONIZ: And, again, so just so everybody's on the same page. What is a press tour?
GINA DEUTERS: Press tour is when a film comes out, the actors and the director usually travel around with the film and show it in different cities all over the world, and the actors usually have to do interviews to promote it and just get the word out.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. And this was a press tour for Rum Diary?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
MR. MONIZ: And what city were you in?
GINA DEUTERS: I worked the London one.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Does anything stand out to you about your interactions with Ms. Heard on that occasion?
GINA DEUTERS: No, she - no.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Were you aware, at that point, that Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard had started a relationship?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes.
MR. MONIZ: And how were you aware?
GINA DEUTERS: Because Depp's team, Johnny's team, sorry, Johnny's team, there's just always an open constant flow of information, you know, because, ultimately, you know, Jerry Judge would be looking after Johnny, so we'd kind of get updates to where they're going and what he was doing. So in that way, we got kind of, you know, notifications, or notified that, you know, they got together.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. And you mentioned a name there, Jerry Judge. Can you just tell the jury who that is?
GINA DEUTERS: Okay. I don't want to be upset, but Jerry Judge was Johnny's long-time security guy and he -- this individual, we all loved him very much. He was like family. He was like a dad and, unfortunately, he passed away.
MR. MONIZ: When did you next see Ms. Heard after the press tour in London?
GINA DEUTERS: Okay. That was, like, 2009.
GINA DEUTERS: I think it was on a trip that we accompanied Johnny and Amber on to Las Vegas for a few days.
MR. MONIZ: And can you estimate for us, just approximately, when that was?
GINA DEUTERS: Maybe that was 2012. I'm so sorry, like, I -- I'm blanking on the date. But it would have been after they, you know, started seeing each other, maybe a couple months afterwards. And we just went out there for a few days.
GINA DEUTERS: I don't remember if it was just, like, a little excursion for them or if Johnny had something to do there. I don't remember that. It was just for, like, two or three days.
MR. MONIZ: Anything stand out to you about that trip?
GINA DEUTERS: I was kind of excited to meet Amber, you know, because she was Johnny's new girl and -- but I remember kind of trying to, you know, kind of make eye contact and -- yeah, I kind of felt a bit ignored. Which is fine, you know, we're staff or whatever, so, I didn't really chat with her.
MR. MONIZ: When you say "staff," what do you mean?
GINA DEUTERS: I mean, I'm not employed by Johnny, but I'm obviously Stephen's wife and he's staff and, yeah, I didn't really interact with her'.
MR. MONIZ: So can you kind of describe what happened when you saw her, then, if anything?
GINA DEUTERS: No. Nothing to note. Just that she didn't really engage or make, you know-- yeah, just didn't really acknowledge our presence.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Did you see Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard interact at all --
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
MR. MONIZ: On that trip?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Can you describe that for us?
GINA DEUTERS: They seemed pretty in love. They were tactile and, I don't know, they seemed happy.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. When did you next meet Ms. Heard?
GINA DEUTERS: When Johnny and Stephen had gone out on location to shoot the Lone Ranger, so I think that might have been the next year. I don't have a date, sorry. Yeah, so, you know, I think through Johnny and Stephen, Amber and I were kind of put in touch and we went vintage shopping together and went to get a coffee once, and then with Johnny and Stephen, kind of went into some galleries, art galleries.
MR. MONIZ: About how long would you say the period was that you and Ms. Heard were together in this time frame?
GINA DEUTERS: How long were we both out on location?
MR. MONIZ: Q Right. Yeah.
GINA DEUTERS: I'm not sure about her. I know that I personally made two trips, which seemed to coincide with her being there. So, you know, it was nice. And, you know, kind of meeting up to go vintage shopping. She was really, really lovely. Really sweet. We got along very well. And it was fun. It was - yeah. You know, she's very charming.
MR. MONIZ: Did you discuss her relationship with Mr. Depp at all?
GINA DEUTERS: I remember, like, going for a coffee and she seemed a bit, just a bit kind of frustrated that- I don't think Johnny was ready to go public with their relationship yet. And I think that was, you know, frustrating for her.
MR. MONIZ: Did you form an impression that she wanted to go public immediately?
MR. NADELHAFT: Objection. Speculation as to what Ms. Heard was thinking.
THE COURT: All right. I'll sustain as to speculation.
THE COURT: Next question.
MR. MONIZ: Were you out in public?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes.
MR. MONIZ: When you were interacting with Ms. Heard in this time frame, did you notice, at all, whether she was wearing makeup?
GINA DEUTERS: No, I don't think she was wearing makeup. She's naturally beautiful. I remember, you know, just thinking how gorgeous her skin was and how, you know, pretty she was.
MR. MONIZ: I mean, how could you tell that she wasn't wearing makeup?
GINA DEUTERS: I consider myself to be quite the makeup expert. Earlier on in my adult life, I got hormonal acne, which was awful, so I got kind of professional at covering that up. So I think I'm pretty good at telling if someone's wearing, you know, like foundation or concealer.
MR. MONIZ: Have you ever heard of arnica cream?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes, in fact, I actually was using it the other week.
MR. NADELHAFT: Objection to --
THE COURT: Can you use the microphone? I'm having trouble hearing you.
MR. NADELHAFT: The question was, have you ever heard of it, she answered it, and then continued past.
THE COURT: She's answered the question.
MR. NADELHAFT: She's answered the question.
THE COURT: All right. If you want to ask another question, that's fine.
MR. MONIZ: Sure, Your Honor.
MR. MONIZ: What is it?
GINA DEUTERS: It's a homeopathic lotion that you use to help bruises heal faster.
MR. MONIZ: And have you ever used it yourself?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes. I was using it a couple weeks ago because I had a huge bruise on my hip after I had
MR. MONIZ: Okay.
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah, so, I know what it is.
MR. MONIZ: And can you just describe for those of us who have no idea, like myself, what does arnica cream look like?
GINA DEUTERS: Sorry, that was me. It's kinds of like a white emollient cream, opaque, that you rub into your skin, you rub into the bruise.
MR. MONIZ: Once it's been rubbed in, what does it look like?
GINA DEUTERS: Transparent.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. So is the bruise still visible?
GINA DEUTERS: Absolutely, yeah.
MR. NADELHAFT: Objection. Leading.
THE COURT: Sustain as to. leading.
MR. MONIZ: Okay, Your Honor.
THE COURT: All right.
MR. MONIZ: After that, those interactions with Ms. Heard on the set of Lone Ranger in -- did you say 2013?
MR. NADELHAFT: I don't believe she testified to a date.
THE COURT: I'm not sure that's an objection.
MR. MONIZ: I'll withdraw the date, Your Honor.
MR. MONIZ: After your interaction with Ms. Heard on the set of The Lone Ranger, Ms. Deuters, when do you next recall seeing Ms. Heard?
GINA DEUTERS: I think it was on the press tour for The Lone Ranger. By that point, I believe their relationship was public and we traveled to Japan with the kids, Johnny's kids, and her friend, Brittany, who I think was, you know, along as a friend and also to help take care of the kids while, you know, Johnny was working.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. And why were you traveling to Japan again?
GINA DEUTERS: Because The Lone Ranger was premiering there and they were doing press. And we also traveled, like, to Berlin, I think, as well, and all around.
MR. MONIZ: Were you traveling with Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Did you witness any interactions between Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard on.these trips?
GINA DEUTERS: I mean, just generally, on the plane. Nothing to note. There was an incident, like, when we all were at dinner together, when I say "we all," I mean, also, the other actors and the producers and director, and I noticed that Johnny was kind of hiding a drink on the side of his chair and taking secret sips. And I just - I noticed, you know, she kind of saw that and was quite angry about it, and I couldn't hear what was said, but he seemed to get - kind of getting told off by, you know, a telling off, which was kind of weird, you know, it was a bit like telling off the child.
MR. MONIZ: What was he drinking?
GINA DEUTERS: I think it was champagne.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Like a flute of champagne?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah, something like that
MR. MONIZ: Did anything -- do you have any impressions of -- how would you describe their body language when they were having the conversation?
GINA DEUTERS: Quite, you know, I think she was reallY. angry, so - I'm so - yeah, I - just kind of, like, dominant and just very angry and, you. know, putting, just, telling, you know, him off. 8.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. And how would you describe his , body language?
GINA DEUTERS: I think, you know, quite,just exhausted by the whole being told off like a child.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Over this period of time -- and just to clarify, were Ms. Heard and Mr. Depp public at this point?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
MR. MONIZ: So it was --
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, when we arrived at the airport, there was, like, photographers everywhere, and it wasn't - it was very public, yeah.
MR. MONIZ: Over the period of time, then, after they'd gone public, did you ever witness them together? Did you have a perspective on their interactions, in general?
MR. NADELHAFT: Objection. Relevance. Foundation.
THE COURT: Is your mic on? There, now it is. Thank you. Objection.
MR. NADELHAFT: Relevance. Foundation. Leading.
MR. MONIZ: Well, their interactions are directly relevant, You Honor. I can lay a foundation, if the Court wants.
THE COURT: If you want to lay a foundation, that's fine.
MR. MONIZ: Did you ever observe Ms. Heard and Mr. Depp together in that time period?
GINA DEUTERS: Can you repeat it? I know you said it a few times, but could you just repeat it one more time?
MR. MONIZ: Of course. Over these next couple of years, after the press tour for Lone Ranger, did you have occasion to interact with Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard at the same time? Did you see them together?
GINA DEUTERS: Very rarely.
MR. MONIZ: Okay.
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah. I'm thinking maybe a dinner here or there.
MR. MONIZ: Okay.
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
MR. MONIZ: From those occasions, when you did see them, did you form any impressions about how they were getting along, based on their interactions with each other that you personally witnessed?
MR. NADELHAFT: I still don't think he established the foundation. It's been a few times that she saw them at a couple dinners and he asked her, her perspective on the relationship.
MR. MONIZ: On those particular occasions.
THE COURT: What's the relevance of her impression?
MR. MONIZ: I'll rephrase, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. MONIZ: How would you describe their interactions on those occasions, when you witnessed them?
MR. NADELHAFT: Same thing, Your Honor.
MR. NADELHAFT: Still no foundation. fine.
MR. MONIZ: If she's present --
THE COURT: I'll allow it. That's
MR. NADELHAFT: Okay.
GINA DEUTERS: They seemed okay. I mean, you know, they could be quite tense, but nothing to note. Nothing I would remark on.
MR. MONIZ: Were you invited to their wedding?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah - yes.
MR. MONIZ: And did you attend?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Can you, just generally, describe for us what the wedding was like?
GINA DEUTERS: It was definitely a predominantly Amber event, in the sense that a large percentage of the guests were her friends and family and, you know, a lot of his friends and family couldn't make it because it seemed to happen so quickly and, yeah, they seemed to be having her and her friends seemed to be having a wonderful time.
MR. MONIZ: Where did the wedding take place?
GINA DEUTERS: On Johnny's island in_the Bahamas.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. And did you have any interactions with Ms. Heard during this time period, or --
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
MR. MONIZ: Strike that.
GINA DEUTERS: Oh.
MR. MONIZ: Did you talk to Ms. Heard when you were at the wedding?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah. You know, there were dinners and it was certainly a celebration every day. And Amber and her friend Rocky gave me my first taste of MDMA, you know, and everyone and all her friends were on it, so I tried that for the first time with them. Yeah. It was like a party atmosphere.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. Just briefly, can you sketch out for us, in a little more detail, how you came to take MDMA on that -- at the wedding?
GINA DEUTERS: Oh, well, it was evening time. I think I was a bit hungover from the day before, and I can imagine those two saw me and when they first dropped the pill into my hand, I thought it was like a supplement, like a vitamin supplement to make me feel better. So they quickly said it was MDMA, and I kind of decided to throw caution to the wind and just try it.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. You mentioned that you traveled with Mr. Depp and Ms. Heard to Japan and Berlin and possibly other locations as well.
MR. MONIZ: Can you tell us where else you've traveled with them?
GINA DEUTERS: Well, after the wedding, we headed to Australia.
MR. MONIZ: And why did you go to Australia?
GINA DEUTERS: Because that's where Johnny would be shooting Pirates 5.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. And approximately when do you think you were in Australia?
GINA DEUTERS: I think that I flew with Johnny and Jerry Judge and Stephen and a few others. I think that was February. And Johnny stayed in a house and Stephen and I were based, like, a 35-minute drive away on the shoreline, in the hotels. And I think Amber flew in a while afterwards.
MR. MONIZ: You said you thought it was February. Do you recall the year?
GINA DEUTERS: Yes, I do. 2015.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. So just so we have the cast of characters clear. Who, from this group, was in Australia at this point?
GINA DEUTERS: So we've got, on the plane that I was on, it was Johnny, Jerry Judge, Stephen Deuters, Debbie Lloyd, and myself, and maybe one - maybe one other.
MR. MONIZ: Okay. You mentioned a name there I don't think we've heard before. Can you just tell the jury, quickly, who Debbie Lloyd is?
MR. NADELHAFT: Your Honor, may we approach?
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. ROTTENBORN: We just got word that this witness has been posting this week, on social media, facts about this case, her opinion about this case. I just wonder how someone who wasn't around at any point during the relationship considers themselves an expert, such as Ms. Deuters. Here's a long letter that she posted just this week. "Our dear friend got a few wins in court this week, and, yet, some of us continue to belittle him"
MR. MONIZ: I've never seen this, Your Honor. This is not a witness under -- I mean.
THE COURT: Well, she's a witness. She's obviously not supposed to be watching the trial, correct?
MR. MONIZ: Well, yeah.
THE COURT: So I can ask her questions on that. I will excuse the jury and I'll just ask her a couple questions, okay?
THE COURT: No. I'm just going to ask her right now.
THE COURT: All right. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury; we just have to take a few housekeeping matters up, so we're going to have you take a recess for a few moments, okay?
THE COURT: Again, no outside research and don't talk to anybody, okay?
THE COURT: Ms. Deuters, I just had a question for you.
THE COURT: Have you been watching the trial tins past week?
GINA DEUTERS: I've seen clips of it online, yes.
THE COURT: You've been watching. So you have seen parts of this trial?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah.
THE COURT: Okay. And witness testimonies?
GINA DEUTERS: Yeah, I've seen clips.
THE COURT: All right.
THE COURT: Does anybody have any follow-up questions?
MR. MONIZ: Ms. Deuters, have you been watching --
THE COURT: It doesn't matter. She's been watching clips of witness testimony.
THE COURT: All right. You're excused, ma'am You're excused. Thank you.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Your Honor, we would want--
THE COURT: I will instruct the jury they'll have to strike the testimony of Ms. Deuters. There's a rule on witnesses, Mr. Moniz.
MR. MONIZ: Understood, Your Honor. This is the first we're --
THE COURT: I believe that. I have no doubt in my mind that this was the first you've heard of it.
THE COURT: Have a good day, ma'am Thank you.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Your Honor, will tell them to disregard --
THE COURT: I got it the first time. Thank you.
THE COURT: Your next witness is going to be on deposition, right?
THE COURT: Okay. Did you want to just take the afternoon recess now, before we -- because we have to bring up the video.
THE COURT: Okay. I'll take the afternoon recess, then I'll instruct the jury, okay?
THE COURT: We'll take 15 minutes. Let's come back at 3:15.
COURT BAILIFF: All rise.
COURT BAILIFF: All rise.
THE COURT: Yes, sir.
MR. MONIZ: Your Honor, may we approach?
THE COURT: Sure.
MR. MONIZ: First of all, Your Honor, I want to make sure that it's clearly understood. The witness was advised on the rule on witnesses. We had no knowledge that she was watching anything --
THE COURT: I have no doubt in my mind.
MR. MONIZ: I also want to clarify. And we understand the rule on witnesses and this is a done issue, but I do want to clarify that even her violation order was really, I think, unintentional. She was basically being tagged in things on social media . She was not seeking out clips, they were popping up on her feed. Again, we're not arguing --
THE COURT: No, she said that she hadn't witnessed anything, but she was very honest, which I do appreciate, that she was watching.
MR. MONIZ: We also, as far as we can tell, the social media posts that were presented to the Court as being from this week, we are unable to identify them on her social media pages. We understand that, from talking to her, she said that they're -- again, I'm not arguing.
THE COURT: Right.
MR. MONIZ: But I do want to note that we do take exception to the extent that there was any kind of -- well, we understand that these were old posts that were presented as new posts, and in kind of an ambush form. So, we take exception to that --
THE COURT: I didn't mention the posts while she was on the stand because I just wanted to see if she had seen anything. I don't need the posts or anything. Unless you want me to look at them.
MS. VASQUEZ: Well, we do want you to look at them. They're undated on purpose, Your Honor, we believe on purpose. They were handed to counsel for Ms. Heard by Eve Barlow. Eve Barlow is sitting in the first row. She's a journalist for the Guardian. She's also, I believe, friends with Ms. Heard, or maybe more.
THE COURT: Okay.
MS. VASQUEZ: She has been passing notes to Ms. Heard during this trial. She passed up a cell phone with an undated screenshot picture of Ms. Deuters' post that's two years old. That's highly inappropriate in our view.
THE COURT: I agree.
THE COURT: The first row is supposed to be the legal team.
MR. CHEW: She's the girlfriend of Ms. Heard who happens to work for the Guardian. It's wildly inappropriate. She passed up that misleading post to Ms. Heard.
MS. VASQUEZ: And passed up notes to Ms. Heard during testimony, and I have photographs of that.
THE COURT: That's fine.
MR. NADELHAFT: She's not --
THE COURT: Nobody of the legal team. We don't $0 out into the audience picking things from different people.
MS. BREDEHOFT: She's a personal friend. She's traveling with her to and from.
THE COURT: Doesn't matter. From now, on the front row, it's only legal team, okay? No family on front row for either side. I said only legal team in the front row. There's plenty of seats in the courtroom.
THE COURT: As long as she's not in the front row and they have no contact.
MS. VASQUEZ: Shouldn't be allowed. She has her laptop open, You Honor.
THE COURT: She can't have her laptop open anymore because she's not going to be in the front row.
THE COURT: She's the one that passed that to Mr. Rottenborn without a date. That date was two years ago, which we just discovered.
THE COURT: I don't care, really, about the semantics of that. I don't. I thought everybody on the front row was the family just sitting there or legal team passing notes back and forth. If I knew she wasn't part of the legal team, she wouldn't have been on the front row anyway. Both sides, both sides, Ms. Bredehoft, only people that are actually on your legal team. We made that first row so you could have communication with legal team, not with somebody else, not with family, not with :friends, okay?
MR. ROTTENBORN: Just for clarification, we also said they were part of the legal team--
THE COURT: No.
MR. MONIZ: So just to be clear --
THE COURT: Let's be clear, just people who are employed in your office as legal people that work for you.
MR. ROTTENBORN: I just want to make sure. There's no intent to circumvent your order.
THE COURT: Well, we're going to -- this is what we're going to do now, maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. There was a lot of family in and I can see where there's confusion, but I think we just make a clear-cut rule now that only people that work for you are on the front row so you can interact with them to get files or folders, which was the whole intention to begin with, okay?
MS. BREDEHOFT: So, for example, there are a couple that come up, and she will come sit in court --
THE COURT: They can have no electronics, no nothing. They're just spectators.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Okay. I understand.
THE COURT: There's no emailing back and forth, anything like that. Everybody understands me, right? Clear, clear, clear, everybody's clear, right?
MR. MONIZ: We apologize for the disruption.
THE COURT: All right. So why don't we go ahead and get that situated, inform everybody on those rows right now, and then we'll go from there.
MS. BREDEHOFT: And we'll have the redacted exhibits for you.
THE COURT: Okay.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Thank you, Your Honor.
THE COURT: You're welcome.
MS. BREDEHOFT: When we included the names. We also included Amber's assistant because she's been sitting there.
THE COURT: This is everybody, everybody?
MS. BREDEHOFT: I just want to be clear to make sure we did it right.
THE COURT: Everybody.
MS. BREDEHOFT: This is, of course, redactions as the two redactions, everything but the two that we brought in through the blue.
THE COURT: Okay.
MS. LECAROZ: Our position is that in the plaintiff's exhibit, for fairness, we need to put those in context, so we've redacted personally identifying in all but- all the texts between Mr. Baruch and Mr. Depp.
THE COURT: Do you have any objection?
MS. BREDEHOFT: We have an objection because those weren't brought in through Mr. Baruch, and it's hearsay, and they include texts from Mr. Baruch and he didn't testify to them.
THE COURT: I still have to read some of them.
MS. BREDEHOFT: Okay.
MS. LECAROZ: There's a lot. Looks like it contains over a hundred entries.
THE COURT: So some of these contain hearsay, though, I guess is the issue. We may want to have context. Is it possible to get context of what he said, maybe, right before it? Can we tone it down maybe to the --
MS. LECAROZ: We can keep working on I it, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Maybe the text right before Mr. Depp's response or the text right afterward, whichever one initiated it. Can we do that, just to get context?
THE COURT: So can we work a little bit on that?
MS. LECAROZ: We're working on it, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Keep going. I appreciate IO it.
MS. BREDEHOFT: This is 397 with the redactions, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Make sure they're agreeable redactions first.
THE COURT: Okay. So, 397 with these redactions. If I don't give it to Jamie now, I'll forget. That takes care of 397.
THE COURT: We're going to have to start the video tonight and we'll probably have to finish it tomorrow morning, correct, by the looks of it?
THE COURT: And are the exhibits -- so you're going to be switching back and forth again?
MR. MONIZ: I think, Your Honor, that we're just going to run it off of our -- I believe the parties worked out the redactions, I think. I could be wrong.
THE COURT: Are there any objections to the exhibits?
MR. NADELHAFT: I don't think we talked at all about what exhibits are coming in.
THE COURT: That's music to my ears.
MR. NADELHAFT: I know. I don't think we had any -- we've just exchanged the objections for this.
MR. MONIZ: Well, in that case, I think we're handling introducing those, to the extent they get introduced, and we'll discuss any objections.
MR. NADELHAFT: That's how I understand it.
THE COURT: So we're going to do objections as we get to them? That's fine. I don't have a problem with that. That works out.
THE COURT: So we'll start it. When we're at 5:00, we'll see where we are and we'll find a good breaking point.
MR. NADELHAFT: Thank you, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Are we ready for the jury, then? Making sure you're ready.
THE COURT: You're ready? All right. Thank you.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
THE COURT: Ladies and gentlemen, the Court is striking Ms. Gina Deuters' testimony, in its entirety, from the record; therefore, the Court further instructs you, the jury, to disregard her testimony in its entirety.
THE COURT: Understand?
THE COURT: All right. Thank you.
THE COURT: All right. Your next witness.
MR. MONIZ: Your Honor, we call Dr. David Kipper by video designation.
THE COURT: All right. Dr. Kipper.